Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 11:00     Subject: Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You will not change the system in your lifetime so think outside the box. Our DC, very elite player by every measure, found alternatives outside this system driven by the packs of lemmings and sheep that perpetuate the industrial soccer complex. If you look hard enough, you can find great ways to enjoy the sport and get the added benefit of time back, money back, and all the other things that will open up for your DC. Most parents psychologically can't come to terms with not doing every possible thing for DC to ensure he/she has a future D1 option, even though they should all be smart and educated enough to know that the likelihood is very low, and if it is, it will not be at one of the D1 schools with good soccer programs. Parents willing to pay for every agility training, camp, private, etc. due to the FOMO love to rationalize how much "DC just loves soccer." Now it is DA or ECNL at all cost, with thousands of dollars and games up to 500 miles away, for players that parents surely know are above average at best, just like the multitude of others at all the "elite" clubs in the DMV. You can't change this system, but you can find options outside of it once you drop the charade that your elite DC is so elite that he/she needs this system to be happy. Look around a little more and it will all be OK.


Agreed.

We have enough history in the sport to see---even the very best--look back and question what the worth was. Giving my kids a chance to excel and get incredible exercise/fitness and passion does not require us doing these out of state weekly drives. It just doesn't.

Life is short. I don't want their entire childhood to be missing out on other things in life. Look, if my kids had the talent potential of Pulisic--I would definitely nurture it---but they have to have that passion themselves as well. There's a difference between loving the sport and feeling like you can't breathe without the sport. The latter required by the best. My kids love the sport, but they also love many other things. They don't wake up with the ball, go outside with the ball every day there isn't a practice, every single minute of a weekend, etc. Until they are doing that, I am not driving 6 hours for weekend games.

If your child is doing that and has exceptional genetics, have at it. BUt, 99.99% of players in the DMV aren't there.


I should add I have straight A students that come to academics very easily. If my kid were a very poor student and soccer was the only true passion---the only way to get into college or reason to want to go to college (as was for my sibling) I might be nurturing it anyway I could. I don't believe my sibling would have lasted at a 4-year university of gotten into one without the sport.


You and the PPs are the perfect pair.
Rather than lecturing us about our kids who are "missing out on other things in life" (they are doing fine, thank you), could you please enlighten us by answering the PP's question and tell us where your "very elite" (sic) players play?
If you are not ready to do it, please stop belittling other people's kids.
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 10:53     Subject: Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

Anonymous wrote:There has to be a better way for elite players to play against other elite players without traveling 200+ miles for a game. Between NoVA and MD, there are at least 20 competitive teams in every age category. The major clubs all field strong teams. McLean, Loudoun, Arlington, BRYC, FCV, Bethesda, SAC, MDUnited, Pipeline, Potomac, Frederick, etc. Complement that list with smaller clubs such as Rush, Baltimore Celtic, Baltimore Union, OBGC, ES Soccer Academy, Cerritos, OPSA, Navy Premier, etc.

Why have we allowed egos and various organizations to create separate and competing leagues so that we can spend entire weekends driving our DCs across regions to play amateur soccer?

How do we take the game back?


The problem is right in the bolder part. If you only want your “elite” kid to play with/against other “elite” kids, you need to cast a wider net. There are saner ways to participate in soccer, but it requires letting go of the need to establish your child as superior.
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 10:51     Subject: Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

Anonymous wrote:Our EDP team has four games in Philly or NJ this Fall alone. I find it ridiculous that they cannot find equally matched teams in the area without a 3 hour drive each way.


This does sound like a lot of travel. We've had a different experience at EDP with all our games being either in Maryland or Virginia. What EDP division and age group is your team in?
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 10:48     Subject: Re:Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

Anonymous wrote:EDP has worked really well for us. Some very top teams (Baltimore celtic, etc) and travel not past 50 min for everyone we are playing. About 60% home games. Saturday mornings---freeing up the entire weekend from noon Saturday onward NO soccer the rest of the weekend.

My oldest is a U15 and this is the best schedule we've ever had. We've been in NCSL, CCL2 and CCL. I, of course, put my younger one in same place so the entire family has so much more free time.



We have similar experience with EDP. Saturday games are great.
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 10:45     Subject: Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You will not change the system in your lifetime so think outside the box. Our DC, very elite player by every measure, found alternatives outside this system driven by the packs of lemmings and sheep that perpetuate the industrial soccer complex. If you look hard enough, you can find great ways to enjoy the sport and get the added benefit of time back, money back, and all the other things that will open up for your DC. Most parents psychologically can't come to terms with not doing every possible thing for DC to ensure he/she has a future D1 option, even though they should all be smart and educated enough to know that the likelihood is very low, and if it is, it will not be at one of the D1 schools with good soccer programs. Parents willing to pay for every agility training, camp, private, etc. due to the FOMO love to rationalize how much "DC just loves soccer." Now it is DA or ECNL at all cost, with thousands of dollars and games up to 500 miles away, for players that parents surely know are above average at best, just like the multitude of others at all the "elite" clubs in the DMV. You can't change this system, but you can find options outside of it once you drop the charade that your elite DC is so elite that he/she needs this system to be happy. Look around a little more and it will all be OK.


Agreed.

We have enough history in the sport to see---even the very best--look back and question what the worth was. Giving my kids a chance to excel and get incredible exercise/fitness and passion does not require us doing these out of state weekly drives. It just doesn't.

Life is short. I don't want their entire childhood to be missing out on other things in life. Look, if my kids had the talent potential of Pulisic--I would definitely nurture it---but they have to have that passion themselves as well. There's a difference between loving the sport and feeling like you can't breathe without the sport. The latter required by the best. My kids love the sport, but they also love many other things. They don't wake up with the ball, go outside with the ball every day there isn't a practice, every single minute of a weekend, etc. Until they are doing that, I am not driving 6 hours for weekend games.

If your child is doing that and has exceptional genetics, have at it. BUt, 99.99% of players in the DMV aren't there.


I should add I have straight A students that come to academics very easily. If my kid were a very poor student and soccer was the only true passion---the only way to get into college or reason to want to go to college (as was for my sibling) I might be nurturing it anyway I could. I don't believe my sibling would have lasted at a 4-year university of gotten into one without the sport.
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 10:42     Subject: Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

Anonymous wrote:You will not change the system in your lifetime so think outside the box. Our DC, very elite player by every measure, found alternatives outside this system driven by the packs of lemmings and sheep that perpetuate the industrial soccer complex. If you look hard enough, you can find great ways to enjoy the sport and get the added benefit of time back, money back, and all the other things that will open up for your DC. Most parents psychologically can't come to terms with not doing every possible thing for DC to ensure he/she has a future D1 option, even though they should all be smart and educated enough to know that the likelihood is very low, and if it is, it will not be at one of the D1 schools with good soccer programs. Parents willing to pay for every agility training, camp, private, etc. due to the FOMO love to rationalize how much "DC just loves soccer." Now it is DA or ECNL at all cost, with thousands of dollars and games up to 500 miles away, for players that parents surely know are above average at best, just like the multitude of others at all the "elite" clubs in the DMV. You can't change this system, but you can find options outside of it once you drop the charade that your elite DC is so elite that he/she needs this system to be happy. Look around a little more and it will all be OK.


Agreed.

We have enough history in the sport to see---even the very best--look back and question what the worth was. Giving my kids a chance to excel and get incredible exercise/fitness and passion does not require us doing these out of state weekly drives. It just doesn't.

Life is short. I don't want their entire childhood to be missing out on other things in life. Look, if my kids had the talent potential of Pulisic--I would definitely nurture it---but they have to have that passion themselves as well. There's a difference between loving the sport and feeling like you can't breathe without the sport. The latter required by the best. My kids love the sport, but they also love many other things. They don't wake up with the ball, go outside with the ball every day there isn't a practice, every single minute of a weekend, etc. Until they are doing that, I am not driving 6 hours for weekend games.

If your child is doing that and has exceptional genetics, have at it. BUt, 99.99% of players in the DMV aren't there.
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 10:36     Subject: Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

Anonymous wrote:You will not change the system in your lifetime so think outside the box. Our DC, very elite player by every measure, found alternatives outside this system driven by the packs of lemmings and sheep that perpetuate the industrial soccer complex. If you look hard enough, you can find great ways to enjoy the sport and get the added benefit of time back, money back, and all the other things that will open up for your DC. Most parents psychologically can't come to terms with not doing every possible thing for DC to ensure he/she has a future D1 option, even though they should all be smart and educated enough to know that the likelihood is very low, and if it is, it will not be at one of the D1 schools with good soccer programs. Parents willing to pay for every agility training, camp, private, etc. due to the FOMO love to rationalize how much "DC just loves soccer." Now it is DA or ECNL at all cost, with thousands of dollars and games up to 500 miles away, for players that parents surely know are above average at best, just like the multitude of others at all the "elite" clubs in the DMV. You can't change this system, but you can find options outside of it once you drop the charade that your elite DC is so elite that he/she needs this system to be happy. Look around a little more and it will all be OK.


So what did you do? Where do you find the magic place outside of this madness where a reasonably skilled and committed player can play happily with others at or around his or her level? Because the reality is that if your child really loves soccer and has worked hard for years, it isn't easy to go back to playing rec. full time.
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 10:21     Subject: Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

You will not change the system in your lifetime so think outside the box. Our DC, very elite player by every measure, found alternatives outside this system driven by the packs of lemmings and sheep that perpetuate the industrial soccer complex. If you look hard enough, you can find great ways to enjoy the sport and get the added benefit of time back, money back, and all the other things that will open up for your DC. Most parents psychologically can't come to terms with not doing every possible thing for DC to ensure he/she has a future D1 option, even though they should all be smart and educated enough to know that the likelihood is very low, and if it is, it will not be at one of the D1 schools with good soccer programs. Parents willing to pay for every agility training, camp, private, etc. due to the FOMO love to rationalize how much "DC just loves soccer." Now it is DA or ECNL at all cost, with thousands of dollars and games up to 500 miles away, for players that parents surely know are above average at best, just like the multitude of others at all the "elite" clubs in the DMV. You can't change this system, but you can find options outside of it once you drop the charade that your elite DC is so elite that he/she needs this system to be happy. Look around a little more and it will all be OK.
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 10:17     Subject: Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

Our EDP team has four games in Philly or NJ this Fall alone. I find it ridiculous that they cannot find equally matched teams in the area without a 3 hour drive each way.
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 10:12     Subject: Re:Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

EDP has worked really well for us. Some very top teams (Baltimore celtic, etc) and travel not past 50 min for everyone we are playing. About 60% home games. Saturday mornings---freeing up the entire weekend from noon Saturday onward NO soccer the rest of the weekend.

My oldest is a U15 and this is the best schedule we've ever had. We've been in NCSL, CCL2 and CCL. I, of course, put my younger one in same place so the entire family has so much more free time.

Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 09:42     Subject: Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

I am afraid this ship has sailed. Clubs have figured out that placing team in a closed by application league allows them to market elite status and charge higher fees without providing elite product on the field. Perhaps EDP will be the solution, but I am not particularly optimistic.
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 09:21     Subject: Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

Fix the market. Right now, joining a team in a league is completely voluntary.

Stop moving your DC to new teams outside of your one league of choice for whatever reason. Just don't do it, mount a campaign to get players and parents on board to not sign up for any teams outside of your league of choice.

Get players and parents to sign contracts with stiff penalties, that they won't sign up for other teams in these leagues if they don't make the league of choice.

Don't let clubs choose their own teams, have a special high council who will evaluate and distribute players based on actual, potential and fit. You accept where placement with no appeal. Coaches provide equal playing time to all players. Every year, the selection process changes with no regards to club/team continuity.

You'll force the hand of clubs that only want to offer up alternatives to stay local.

Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 09:09     Subject: Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

Even within leagues, why in the world don't they do more geographic scheduling?
We had an Annapolis team playing against a Bethesda team in Baltimore last weekend.
That was insane.
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 09:08     Subject: Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

I guess we need a new league... we won't like that leagues rules, so we'll immediately need a new league after that...
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2018 08:49     Subject: Taking Soccer Back from the insanity of the ECNL, ENPL, DA, etc.

There has to be a better way for elite players to play against other elite players without traveling 200+ miles for a game. Between NoVA and MD, there are at least 20 competitive teams in every age category. The major clubs all field strong teams. McLean, Loudoun, Arlington, BRYC, FCV, Bethesda, SAC, MDUnited, Pipeline, Potomac, Frederick, etc. Complement that list with smaller clubs such as Rush, Baltimore Celtic, Baltimore Union, OBGC, ES Soccer Academy, Cerritos, OPSA, Navy Premier, etc.

Why have we allowed egos and various organizations to create separate and competing leagues so that we can spend entire weekends driving our DCs across regions to play amateur soccer?

How do we take the game back?