Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 10:41     Subject: Re:PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:+1 PP.. I am the child of Est African refugees to the US in 1990 and this was very true for our culture, education was and continues to be paramount. Our income was low at that time, but the emphasis on education was so powerful and parents did everything in their power to support me in school (spoke to teachers, brought supplementary books home and taught me themselves). Income and SES is not always indicative of poor test scores.
PARCC scores are more problematic because they do not align with what is taught by MCPS (or more importantly, not Taught).


So true. I often volunteer at the book fair at my childrens' school, an objectively high needs elementary school that receives Focus funding from the county. It is invariably the East African and Middle Eastern parents, some of whom I see dropping their kids off in taxi cabs, asking whether the book fair has books on computer programming or math enrichment. These are poor families, but their priority is on making sure only one generation is in poverty in the United States.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 10:30     Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


I bet those kids go to schools with lower FARMS rates. Once you hit a tipping point, those kids aren't doing well. A school full of poor kids isn't going to do well.


FARMs is a measure of household income, not socioeconomic status. I wish that people would stop conflating the two. I'm talking to the OP, not to you, PP.


What's the difference between income and SES?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socioeconomic_status

Income is one factor but not the only one used to determine SES. A PhD student or medical resident might have low income but higher SES based on occupation and education.


uh huh

b/c so many PhD/medical students have kids enrolled in MCPS schools

Let's get real, genius. Low SES in schools is more often THAN NOT related to poverty. We're not talking about families with a PhD mom or dad working in a non-profit while parent two stays home.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 09:56     Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some posters constantly want to dismiss performance scores because they believe they only reflect SES. The PARCC scores don't align with this view and many schools with lower rates of students achieving proficiency are doing so at percentages much higher than their FARMS rates.


A school's average on a test like PARCC is a reflection of its overall SES. However, has nothing to do with an individual performance. Some schools are very diverse while other's are homogenous to both extremes within the county.


Why is this written as a possessive? It is a simple plural. How much education do you have, poster?
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 09:19     Subject: Re:PARCC scores not aligning with SES
+1 PP.. I am the child of Est African refugees to the US in 1990 and this was very true for our culture, education was and continues to be paramount. Our income was low at that time, but the emphasis on education was so powerful and parents did everything in their power to support me in school (spoke to teachers, brought supplementary books home and taught me themselves). Income and SES is not always indicative of poor test scores.
PARCC scores are more problematic because they do not align with what is taught by MCPS (or more importantly, not Taught).
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 08:57     Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


I bet those kids go to schools with lower FARMS rates. Once you hit a tipping point, those kids aren't doing well. A school full of poor kids isn't going to do well.


FARMs is a measure of household income, not socioeconomic status. I wish that people would stop conflating the two. I'm talking to the OP, not to you, PP.


What's the difference between income and SES?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socioeconomic_status

Income is one factor but not the only one used to determine SES. A PhD student or medical resident might have low income but higher SES based on occupation and education.


Great example. In our Silver Spring neighborhood, there are a fair number of recent immigrants and refugees from East Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia. These are often folks who were well-educated back home, and some are here are special visas for individuals who worked with US troops. So, they are low income because their specific skills aren't in particularly high demand in the United States in 2018, but they expect a lot from their kids, create a stable home, and in all other ways "share the values" of any other family in the area.

Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 08:37     Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:Some posters constantly want to dismiss performance scores because they believe they only reflect SES. The PARCC scores don't align with this view and many schools with lower rates of students achieving proficiency are doing so at percentages much higher than their FARMS rates.


A school's average on a test like PARCC is a reflection of its overall SES. However, has nothing to do with an individual performance. Some schools are very diverse while other's are homogenous to both extremes within the county.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 08:09     Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


I bet those kids go to schools with lower FARMS rates. Once you hit a tipping point, those kids aren't doing well. A school full of poor kids isn't going to do well.


FARMs is a measure of household income, not socioeconomic status. I wish that people would stop conflating the two. I'm talking to the OP, not to you, PP.


What's the difference between income and SES?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socioeconomic_status

Income is one factor but not the only one used to determine SES. A PhD student or medical resident might have low income but higher SES based on occupation and education.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2018 22:30     Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


I bet those kids go to schools with lower FARMS rates. Once you hit a tipping point, those kids aren't doing well. A school full of poor kids isn't going to do well.


FARMs is a measure of household income, not socioeconomic status. I wish that people would stop conflating the two. I'm talking to the OP, not to you, PP.



Yes, that's why I used the word "poor" which is commonly understood to mean low household incomes.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2018 21:00     Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


I bet those kids go to schools with lower FARMS rates. Once you hit a tipping point, those kids aren't doing well. A school full of poor kids isn't going to do well.


FARMs is a measure of household income, not socioeconomic status. I wish that people would stop conflating the two. I'm talking to the OP, not to you, PP.


What's the difference between income and SES?
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2018 20:53     Subject: Re:PARCC scores not aligning with SES
I don’t care so much about test scores, I care about potential and most kids who don’t care about school or have no chance to ever attend college will pose a distraction to children how are exspected to do better. SES and FARMs are indicators of the latter
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2018 20:31     Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:


I bet those kids go to schools with lower FARMS rates. Once you hit a tipping point, those kids aren't doing well. A school full of poor kids isn't going to do well.


FARMs is a measure of household income, not socioeconomic status. I wish that people would stop conflating the two. I'm talking to the OP, not to you, PP.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2018 20:20     Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some posters constantly want to dismiss performance scores because they believe they only reflect SES. The PARCC scores don't align with this view and many schools with lower rates of students achieving proficiency are doing so at percentages much higher than their FARMS rates.


For example?




I bet those kids go to schools with lower FARMS rates. Once you hit a tipping point, those kids aren't doing well. A school full of poor kids isn't going to do well.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2018 18:23     Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:Some posters constantly want to dismiss performance scores because they believe they only reflect SES. The PARCC scores don't align with this view and many schools with lower rates of students achieving proficiency are doing so at percentages much higher than their FARMS rates.


For example?

Anonymous
Post 09/02/2018 18:22     Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:Some posters constantly want to dismiss performance scores because they believe they only reflect SES. The PARCC scores don't align with this view and many schools with lower rates of students achieving proficiency are doing so at percentages much higher than their FARMS rates.


THank you central office and BOE!! You have solved achievement gap.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2018 18:17     Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Some posters constantly want to dismiss performance scores because they believe they only reflect SES. The PARCC scores don't align with this view and many schools with lower rates of students achieving proficiency are doing so at percentages much higher than their FARMS rates.