My friend sent me that article yesterday. She was so excited to talk about it like it was major news. Both of us are black and she's light skinned as hell. I was scratching my head trying to figure out why this was a big deal to her. It's pretty common knowledge that slave owners raped their slaves and had kids. Maybe they didn't all marry them, but the only newsworthy part to me was that Beyonce found out the woman's name. Most of us can't do that. Other than that...whatever.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you forreal? Of course there are likely hundreds of thousands, if not a few million, black Americans who are descendants of slave and slave owner “relationships” (I put relationships in quotes because most would have been raped or otherwise not fully able to consent to a relationship with their slave master).

I can’t tell if you’re romanticizing a marriage between a SLAVE and her OWNER. there’s nothing romantic about slavery or raping slaves.

Please do some American history.

Dare I say pot kettle.

Do your own research. The majority of AA in the us are descended from black slave men and indentured white women. This is supported by US state archival records as well as records kept in country of origin.

For example, this is just Maryland for an example:
http://www.womenhistoryblog.com/2008/07/slavery-in-maryland.html
http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/Intro_md.htm
http://genealogydecoded.com/tag/maryland-indentured-servants/
http://guide.mdsa.net/pages/viewer.aspx?page=indenturedservants

Yes, op it is often difficult to trace AA genealogy because of slavery.

This may be true in some more isolated instances or in some regions, but I don’t think this is true in general—I’ve never heard this explanation. DNA evidence suggests that many black Americans carry DNA from white slave owners and black slave women.

“Buried in DNA, the researchers found the marks of slavery’s cruelties, including further evidence that white slave owners routinely fathered children with women held as slaves.”

https://nyti.ms/1WqBAyI?smid=nytcore-ios-share

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you forreal? Of course there are likely hundreds of thousands, if not a few million, black Americans who are descendants of slave and slave owner “relationships” (I put relationships in quotes because most would have been raped or otherwise not fully able to consent to a relationship with their slave master).

I can’t tell if you’re romanticizing a marriage between a SLAVE and her OWNER. there’s nothing romantic about slavery or raping slaves.

Please do some American history.

Dare I say pot kettle.

Do your own research. The majority of AA in the us are descended from black slave men and indentured white women. This is supported by US state archival records as well as records kept in country of origin.

For example, this is just Maryland for an example:
http://www.womenhistoryblog.com/2008/07/slavery-in-maryland.html
http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/Intro_md.htm
http://genealogydecoded.com/tag/maryland-indentured-servants/
http://guide.mdsa.net/pages/viewer.aspx?page=indenturedservants

Yes, op it is often difficult to trace AA genealogy because of slavery.

This is true of free people of color before the EP. ESP. those north of the Mason-Dixon line. Less true of people freed during/after the Civil War. The percentages falls off so that there’s not a majority of white mothers for children held as slaves.

FYI, Maryland isn’t north of the mason Dixon line.

You can also search the data from the ships carrying enslaved Africans:
http://www.african-origins.org/african-data

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you forreal? Of course there are likely hundreds of thousands, if not a few million, black Americans who are descendants of slave and slave owner “relationships” (I put relationships in quotes because most would have been raped or otherwise not fully able to consent to a relationship with their slave master).

I can’t tell if you’re romanticizing a marriage between a SLAVE and her OWNER. there’s nothing romantic about slavery or raping slaves.

Please do some American history.

Dare I say pot kettle.

Do your own research. The majority of AA in the us are descended from black slave men and indentured white women. This is supported by US state archival records as well as records kept in country of origin.

For example, this is just Maryland for an example:
http://www.womenhistoryblog.com/2008/07/slavery-in-maryland.html
http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/Intro_md.htm
http://genealogydecoded.com/tag/maryland-indentured-servants/
http://guide.mdsa.net/pages/viewer.aspx?page=indenturedservants

Yes, op it is often difficult to trace AA genealogy because of slavery.

This is true of free people of color before the EP. ESP. those north of the Mason-Dixon line. Less true of people freed during/after the Civil War. The percentages falls off so that there’s not a majority of white mothers for children held as slaves.

That's not what the links are suggesting. The offspring were considered black and their rights dictated as such. Laws of indentured servants vs slavery changed because owners feared alliances between white indentured servants and black slaves.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you forreal? Of course there are likely hundreds of thousands, if not a few million, black Americans who are descendants of slave and slave owner “relationships” (I put relationships in quotes because most would have been raped or otherwise not fully able to consent to a relationship with their slave master).

I can’t tell if you’re romanticizing a marriage between a SLAVE and her OWNER. there’s nothing romantic about slavery or raping slaves.

Please do some American history.

Dare I say pot kettle.

Do your own research. The majority of AA in the us are descended from black slave men and indentured white women. This is supported by US state archival records as well as records kept in country of origin.

For example, this is just Maryland for an example:
http://www.womenhistoryblog.com/2008/07/slavery-in-maryland.html
http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/Intro_md.htm
http://genealogydecoded.com/tag/maryland-indentured-servants/
http://guide.mdsa.net/pages/viewer.aspx?page=indenturedservants

Yes, op it is often difficult to trace AA genealogy because of slavery.

This is true only in early colonial states, but not in states such as Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas etc...

Apparently we are not allowed to use the term mixed, even though we all already know that there have been plenty of consensual interracial relationships resulting in African Americans of mixed heritage. It irritates me that the assumption is all mixed racial American blacks are products of rape.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you forreal? Of course there are likely hundreds of thousands, if not a few million, black Americans who are descendants of slave and slave owner “relationships” (I put relationships in quotes because most would have been raped or otherwise not fully able to consent to a relationship with their slave master).

I can’t tell if you’re romanticizing a marriage between a SLAVE and her OWNER. there’s nothing romantic about slavery or raping slaves.

Please do some American history.

Dare I say pot kettle.

Do your own research. The majority of AA in the us are descended from black slave men and indentured white women. This is supported by US state archival records as well as records kept in country of origin.

For example, this is just Maryland for an example:
http://www.womenhistoryblog.com/2008/07/slavery-in-maryland.html
http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/Intro_md.htm
http://genealogydecoded.com/tag/maryland-indentured-servants/
http://guide.mdsa.net/pages/viewer.aspx?page=indenturedservants

Yes, op it is often difficult to trace AA genealogy because of slavery.

This is true of free people of color before the EP. ESP. those north of the Mason-Dixon line. Less true of people freed during/after the Civil War. The percentages falls off so that there’s not a majority of white mothers for children held as slaves.

Anonymous wrote:Are you forreal? Of course there are likely hundreds of thousands, if not a few million, black Americans who are descendants of slave and slave owner “relationships” (I put relationships in quotes because most would have been raped or otherwise not fully able to consent to a relationship with their slave master).

I can’t tell if you’re romanticizing a marriage between a SLAVE and her OWNER. there’s nothing romantic about slavery or raping slaves.

Please do some American history.

Dare I say pot kettle.

Do your own research. The majority of AA in the us are descended from black slave men and indentured white women. This is supported by US state archival records as well as records kept in country of origin.

For example, this is just Maryland for an example:
http://www.womenhistoryblog.com/2008/07/slavery-in-maryland.html
http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/Intro_md.htm
http://genealogydecoded.com/tag/maryland-indentured-servants/
http://guide.mdsa.net/pages/viewer.aspx?page=indenturedservants

Yes, op it is often difficult to trace AA genealogy because of slavery.

Anonymous wrote:Of course she's descended from slaves. Most of us are. The remarkable part is that her white ancestor actually married a black former slave. The norm was usually you had a white wife to give you legitimate children and a colored "mistress".

You couldn't marry because it was illegal.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you forreal? Of course there are likely hundreds of thousands, if not a few million, black Americans who are descendants of slave and slave owner “relationships” (I put relationships in quotes because most would have been raped or otherwise not fully able to consent to a relationship with their slave master).

I can’t tell if you’re romanticizing a marriage between a SLAVE and her OWNER. there’s nothing romantic about slavery or raping slaves.

Please do some American history.

This was not an offensive post so calm down! I’m asking if people have been able to personally trace their own family history just as extensively.

The answer is sometimes. Especially if they have financial resources to hire a trained researcher. Or if the suspected white ancestor is someone historically significant that a scholar takes a special interest in.

It’s typically not major plantation owners. It’s a lot of overseers, skilled craftsmen, merchants and peddlers, and lesser male relatives of land owners.

Anonymous wrote:Are you forreal? Of course there are likely hundreds of thousands, if not a few million, black Americans who are descendants of slave and slave owner “relationships” (I put relationships in quotes because most would have been raped or otherwise not fully able to consent to a relationship with their slave master).

I can’t tell if you’re romanticizing a marriage between a SLAVE and her OWNER. there’s nothing romantic about slavery or raping slaves.

Please do some American history.

This was not an offensive post so calm down! I’m asking if people have been able to personally trace their own family history just as extensively.

THERe are several old threads here about AA ancestry. While many AA are the product of sexual contact between the enslaved and their enslavers, many are also the product of consensual unions between white women and black men. My family has mixed ancestry from both types of unions. DH traced one white ancestor who kept a free black mistress. She had two children with him. Those children both married free black women. You would not assume from looking at him that he has any aeurioean ancestry. People also find out sometimes that a white ancestor is more recent than the antebellum period. Like from the Jim Crow era. Again, some rapes, but also some contacts that might have been voluntary. We pretty much assume my great-grandmother had my grandmother due to rape by a white employer. She came home to give birth, but did not waste a second trying to mother the child.

Of course she's descended from slaves. Most of us are. The remarkable part is that her white ancestor actually married a black former slave. The norm was usually you had a white wife to give you legitimate children and a colored "mistress".

Are you forreal? Of course there are likely hundreds of thousands, if not a few million, black Americans who are descendants of slave and slave owner “relationships” (I put relationships in quotes because most would have been raped or otherwise not fully able to consent to a relationship with their slave master).

I can’t tell if you’re romanticizing a marriage between a SLAVE and her OWNER. there’s nothing romantic about slavery or raping slaves.

Please do some American history.

Just as captivating was the remarkably candid interview that accompanied it, in which the usually reserved Beyonce opened up about her black, white and mixed-race ancestors who hailed from Louisiana, in America’s Deep South, where a brutal slave trade flourished for nearly 150 years until abolition in the middle of the 19th century. Beyonce explains to Vogue that her family has had its ups and downs, particularly with relationships. Then she drops a fascinating bombshell: ‘I researched my ancestry recently and learned I come from a slave owner who fell in love with and married a slave.’It was a remarkable discovery, one the Mail has investigated further and found that she is indeed descended from slaves.
We have traced Beyonce’s family tree back to 1800 and found her great-great-great grandmother, a black slave called Rosalie Jean Louis who was born that year.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6040983/Beyonces-family-tree-reveals-great-great-great-grandmother-slave-married-owner.html

Are there any African American/Black people with such history? Are people able to extensively find this out?