Anonymous
05/22/2018 08:52
Subject: Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
Yep. Penrose and Arlington Heights are cutting off their nose to spite their face. And harming the rest of 22204 in the process.
Anonymous
05/22/2018 08:50
Subject: Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
Look at the projections. Yorktown will have trailers. They will be 600 students over capacity, which is probably proportional for the overcrowding. But Wakefield will be 1000 students over. Not pretty. SA needs to look out for itself and get some seats. Stonewalling is not in the kids interests either.
Anonymous
05/22/2018 08:43
Subject: Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think they have to redraw boundaries then. Yorktown wants to believe it doesn’t affect them but it does. Everyone gets trailers. This is everyone’s problem. I don’t believe they can require it to be a neighborhood school without equal amenities. Allowing transfers is a false dichotomy. And say what you want about ScArlington but Oenrose, Arlington Heights, Lyon Village (N Arlington) and most of Columbia Heights (eastern Pike) will not stand for it. They have lawyers too. It’s goung to get ugly fast and APS knows this.
But in all the presentation material it literally reads that no trailers are possible at Yorktown. So I think they have every reason to believe this isn't their problem. Staff has already told them it's not.
The CC should not have a neighborhood boundary. And they need to figure out ASAP how to make this an attractive program that will be full upon opening.
Then Yorktown will have to prepare for larger class sizes. Burdens can be shared equitably, even if not equally (ie, sharing the burden can take different forms; but everyone needs to share the burden)
Anonymous
05/22/2018 08:41
Subject: Re:Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
Anonymous wrote:According to the board, nothing has been decided yet, so we can’t say anything about the site is “clear”. But it also doesn’t seem likely that they’ll make them choice seats at this point. None of the CIP planning scenarios involved adding choice seats to the CC; they all relied on making it neighborhood.
I’m just not sure that choice seats are the answer, regardless where you put them. What happens if they can’t fill them? Or if enrollment growth doesn’t flatten out just outside the ten year window? Then we’d be back where we are right now, needing to build another comprehensive high school but with $100 million less to work with.
I don’t care where the high school goes, personally. But not building a comprehensive one now seems like it would be more expensive in the long run.
And does everyone actually understand WHY all the scenarios have those seats as neighborhood? Because the Arlington Heights and Penrose advocates have been insisting on a neighborhood school from the beginning!!!!! Well, they're likely to get their frickin' neighborhood school; but this demonstrates exactly why you need to be careful what you ask for, to advocate strategically, and to let the process (the working group) do its work. Then, if you don't like it, object. Despite their good intentions, these people have put the rest of us on the path to being screwed right along with them.
Anonymous
05/22/2018 08:31
Subject: Re:Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:According to the board, nothing has been decided yet, so we can’t say anything about the site is “clear”. But it also doesn’t seem likely that they’ll make them choice seats at this point. None of the CIP planning scenarios involved adding choice seats to the CC; they all relied on making it neighborhood.
I’m just not sure that choice seats are the answer, regardless where you put them. What happens if they can’t fill them? Or if enrollment growth doesn’t flatten out just outside the ten year window? Then we’d be back where we are right now, needing to build another comprehensive high school but with $100 million less to work with.
I don’t care where the high school goes, personally. But not building a comprehensive one now seems like it would be more expensive in the long run.
The problem is they don't have the money or land to really make this a comprehensive HS. They have incorrectly assumed that the neighborhood would be fine with any neighborhood school, which is not at all what they have been advocating for. They don't want a half-assed leftover parts neighborhood HS. If they can't make it a real HS, then they can't draw a neighborhood boundary and they need to make them option seats. The end.
The site could work if they were willing to put the money into it. It is really a question of priorities. I can think of another site that has more than enough land, and might even be cheaper to build out because it wouldn’t need underground parking or the demolition of an existing elementary school, (coughKenmorecough).
I agree with you though: no half-a-high-schools.
Anonymous
05/22/2018 08:29
Subject: Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think they have to redraw boundaries then. Yorktown wants to believe it doesn’t affect them but it does. Everyone gets trailers. This is everyone’s problem. I don’t believe they can require it to be a neighborhood school without equal amenities. Allowing transfers is a false dichotomy. And say what you want about ScArlington but Oenrose, Arlington Heights, Lyon Village (N Arlington) and most of Columbia Heights (eastern Pike) will not stand for it. They have lawyers too. It’s goung to get ugly fast and APS knows this.
But in all the presentation material it literally reads that no trailers are possible at Yorktown. So I think they have every reason to believe this isn't their problem. Staff has already told them it's not.
The CC should not have a neighborhood boundary. And they need to figure out ASAP how to make this an attractive program that will be full upon opening.
Then Yorktown can enjoy shifts.
If CC is neighborhood and not comprehensive, it will result in more families moving into Ytown and WL. There will
Be a ripple effect.
And we’ll be right back to where we started.
Anonymous
05/22/2018 08:26
Subject: Re:Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
Anonymous wrote:According to the board, nothing has been decided yet, so we can’t say anything about the site is “clear”. But it also doesn’t seem likely that they’ll make them choice seats at this point. None of the CIP planning scenarios involved adding choice seats to the CC; they all relied on making it neighborhood.
I’m just not sure that choice seats are the answer, regardless where you put them. What happens if they can’t fill them? Or if enrollment growth doesn’t flatten out just outside the ten year window? Then we’d be back where we are right now, needing to build another comprehensive high school but with $100 million less to work with.
I don’t care where the high school goes, personally. But not building a comprehensive one now seems like it would be more expensive in the long run.
The problem is they don't have the money or land to really make this a comprehensive HS. They have incorrectly assumed that the neighborhood would be fine with any neighborhood school, which is not at all what they have been advocating for. They don't want a half-assed leftover parts neighborhood HS. If they can't make it a real HS, then they can't draw a neighborhood boundary and they need to make them option seats. The end.
Anonymous
05/22/2018 08:25
Subject: Re:Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
Despite what the presentation said, Yorktown has had trailers in the past. During the rebuilding of the school they put some on the tennis courts. Doesn’t seem particularly consistent to say that CC kids can go without fields but Yorktown kids would be unjustly deprived if they lack access to their tennis courts...
Anonymous
05/22/2018 08:22
Subject: Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
Anonymous wrote:I think they have to redraw boundaries then. Yorktown wants to believe it doesn’t affect them but it does. Everyone gets trailers. This is everyone’s problem. I don’t believe they can require it to be a neighborhood school without equal amenities. Allowing transfers is a false dichotomy. And say what you want about ScArlington but Oenrose, Arlington Heights, Lyon Village (N Arlington) and most of Columbia Heights (eastern Pike) will not stand for it. They have lawyers too. It’s goung to get ugly fast and APS knows this.
But in all the presentation material it literally reads that no trailers are possible at Yorktown. So I think they have every reason to believe this isn't their problem. Staff has already told them it's not.
The CC should not have a neighborhood boundary. And they need to figure out ASAP how to make this an attractive program that will be full upon opening.
Anonymous
05/22/2018 08:15
Subject: Re:Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
According to the board, nothing has been decided yet, so we can’t say anything about the site is “clear”. But it also doesn’t seem likely that they’ll make them choice seats at this point. None of the CIP planning scenarios involved adding choice seats to the CC; they all relied on making it neighborhood.
I’m just not sure that choice seats are the answer, regardless where you put them. What happens if they can’t fill them? Or if enrollment growth doesn’t flatten out just outside the ten year window? Then we’d be back where we are right now, needing to build another comprehensive high school but with $100 million less to work with.
I don’t care where the high school goes, personally. But not building a comprehensive one now seems like it would be more expensive in the long run.
I’m just not sure that choice seats are the answer, regardless where you put them. What happens if they can’t fill them? Or if enrollment growth doesn’t flatten out just outside the ten year window? Then we’d be back where we are right now, needing to build another comprehensive high school but with $100 million less to work with.
I don’t care where the high school goes, personally. But not building a comprehensive one now seems like it would be more expensive in the long run.
Anonymous
05/22/2018 08:08
Subject: Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
I think they have to redraw boundaries then. Yorktown wants to believe it doesn’t affect them but it does. Everyone gets trailers. This is everyone’s problem. I don’t believe they can require it to be a neighborhood school without equal amenities. Allowing transfers is a false dichotomy. And say what you want about ScArlington but Oenrose, Arlington Heights, Lyon Village (N Arlington) and most of Columbia Heights (eastern Pike) will not stand for it. They have lawyers too. It’s goung to get ugly fast and APS knows this.
Anonymous
05/22/2018 08:00
Subject: Re:Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
So, other SA parents, since it's clear that this isn't going to be a real comprehensive HS, do you still want it to be a neighborhood school? I really don't because I have a sporty kid and he'd be really sad to have to give up the sport he loves at HS. We're in the walk zone, but our entire neighborhood is not, so it's unclear to me whether we'd be zoned to the CC. I just worry that depending on when it opens, if we are zoned here, there will be too many transfer applications for the other comprehensive HS and my kid will be stuck. Then we'd either have to move or go private so he could attend a comprehensive HS. Not as worried for my other kids because they do not play sports and would probably be just fine with a smaller HS, as long as it has arts facilities.
Anonymous
05/21/2018 23:05
Subject: Re:Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
At least kids in trailers still have a chance of using the facilities like pools and Sports fields. And you’re assuming they wouldn’t redistrict, which they do by policy every five years.
Anonymous
05/21/2018 19:06
Subject: Re:Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
Nice strawman there.
Anonymous
05/21/2018 18:53
Subject: Please explain how Henry parent position on CC makes sense
Can someone help me make sense of their position. If you look at the 10 year projections, the school that will bear the disproportionate burden of the overcrowding in the next 10 years is Wakefield. This position of “if you don’t build us a full high school at the cost of $250 million, then build nothing” seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Wakefield will be 1000 students over capacity. The students least likely to be able to opt out for private school. This whole campaign seems ill-advised to me.