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Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The "largely valueless middle"? Is it any wonder liberals are despised?

To be fair, it is where most of our GMO based processed food comes from, so there is that.

I would love to see liberals try and survive without the farmers who provide their food. A good latte is only going to sustain you for so long.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/well/eat/are-gmo-foods-safe.html

Illinois, Minnesota, and California alone make up a quarter of our agricultural output. That's just tallying up three states. I'm sure we'll have no problem with food.

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Anonymous wrote:So say the Russian trolls. Not gonna happen though. Trump is only temporary.

I think there are very liberal and very conservative thread starters here who are sincere Americans, but I now assume that any really provocative post like this comes from some kind of paid campaign, and that the first two or three replies come from the original
poster.

Maybe any trolls are just with an apolitical ad agency, or with North Korea, or something like that, not with Russia, and maybe some of the apparent trolls are genuine moms with overly aggressive phone auto correct functions, but I think regular people who want to be taken seriously have to put some effort into showing that they're regular people.

Especially considering that this thread subject is an acknowledged talking point pushed by Russia. I’m not saying OP is Russian or paid, but I’m sure they are aware they're bomb throwing.

And it’s such a stupid talking point. We are America. We are the United States. We survived the Civil War and we will survive this.

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Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The "largely valueless middle"? Is it any wonder liberals are despised?

To be fair, it is where most of our GMO based processed food comes from, so there is that.

I would love to see liberals try and survive without the farmers who provide their food. A good latte is only going to sustain you for so long.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/well/eat/are-gmo-foods-safe.html

Food from the middle of the US is largely exported, or used to feed the middle of the US. The coastal states are food-self-sufficient.

Anonymous wrote:Two problems with this. One, geography. It would be at least 3. California/Oreagon/Washington State and NOVA through New England. And two, economics. Those states provide most of the US tax revenue. If you think the Deep South, W. VA the Rust Belt, etc have economic problems now, wait until the Maker States leave with most of the US economy. Things might not be great in those states, but they would be a lot worse if the Maker States were not keeping them afloat. What happens when the Maker States leave?

I think that the original poster might well be a Russian troll who's up to no good.

In the real world: the Coastal States could solve any geographical problems by forming a free trade pact with Canada and Mexico.

The central states would have to deal with leadership by crazy people. If they could somehow empower their plain old Bush-Romney Republicans, they could probably replace what they get from the coasts, if necessary, from places like Austin, Texas, and Chicago. Everything and everyone you have in the Capitol Hill neighborhood or Cambridge, Mass. The question is just whether a United Central States of America would nurture places like Rice and the University of Texas or stomp on them.

Along the same lines: UCSA could easily get fruits and vegetables from Mexico, if it lost easy access to California and Florida produce. But then UCAS leaders would suddenly have to be nice to Mexico.

Anonymous wrote:So say the Russian trolls. Not gonna happen though. Trump is only temporary.

I think there are very liberal and very conservative thread starters here who are sincere Americans, but I now assume that any really provocative post like this comes from some kind of paid campaign, and that the first two or three replies come from the original
poster.

Maybe any trolls are just with an apolitical ad agency, or with North Korea, or something like that, not with Russia, and maybe some of the apparent trolls are genuine moms with overly aggressive phone auto correct functions, but I think regular people who want to be taken seriously have to put some effort into showing that they're regular people.

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Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The "largely valueless middle"? Is it any wonder liberals are despised?

To be fair, it is where most of our GMO based processed food comes from, so there is that.

I would love to see liberals try and survive without the farmers who provide their food. A good latte is only going to sustain you for so long.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/well/eat/are-gmo-foods-safe.html

If you don't think there is enough food grown in the blue coastal states to support that population, you are sadly mistaken.

We pay billions in subsidies to not grow food, we are using corn to power cars, and we are throwing milk away.

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Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The "largely valueless middle"? Is it any wonder liberals are despised?

To be fair, it is where most of our GMO based processed food comes from, so there is that.

I would love to see liberals try and survive without the farmers who provide their food. A good latte is only going to sustain you for so long.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/well/eat/are-gmo-foods-safe.html

Once we believe in international trade again, we’ll be fine. Still one of the largest economies in the world once we drop all the dead weight. We’ll have to build a wall to keep you out.

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Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The "largely valueless middle"? Is it any wonder liberals are despised?

To be fair, it is where most of our GMO based processed food comes from, so there is that.

I would love to see liberals try and survive without the farmers who provide their food. A good latte is only going to sustain you for so long.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/well/eat/are-gmo-foods-safe.html

Do you think flyover food feeds the coasts? As opposed to being exported? What you are growing can be imported. A lot of our food already is.

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Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The "largely valueless middle"? Is it any wonder liberals are despised?

To be fair, it is where most of our GMO based processed food comes from, so there is that.

I would love to see liberals try and survive without the farmers who provide their food. A good latte is only going to sustain you for so long.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/well/eat/are-gmo-foods-safe.html

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The "largely valueless middle"? Is it any wonder liberals are despised?

To be fair, it is where most of our GMO based processed food comes from, so there is that.

Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The "largely valueless middle"? Is it any wonder liberals are despised?

Two problems with this. One, geography. It would be at least 3. California/Oreagon/Washington State and NOVA through New England. And two, economics. Those states provide most of the US tax revenue. If you think the Deep South, W. VA the Rust Belt, etc have economic problems now, wait until the Maker States leave with most of the US economy. Things might not be great in those states, but they would be a lot worse if the Maker States were not keeping them afloat. What happens when the Maker States leave?

A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

So say the Russian trolls. Not gonna happen though. Trump is only temporary.

We cannot keep continuing on this path.We are a deeply divided nation who cannot see eye to eye.