What does it have to do with Gavin de Becker? Did the mother cite him as the reason she spoke up? If not, leave him tf out of this!

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you make a good point. “Gut” feelings are affected by bias. And white people’s discomfort around brown people should not be handled by removing the brown people from the scene. Jeez.

5:47, I’m going to look into the boarding schools you mention. But I’m curious why you were testy with the OP and didn’t engage her point. She doesn’t seem like the enemy here....

Probably because he’s a troll.

Total troll.

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Anonymous wrote:So it’s racism if people happen to be minorities... even if the “racist” didn’t know they were minorities? I think these kids could pass as white. They look like some of the really “weird” white kids I went to school with. And if I saw two guys show up late to an organized group somewhere wearing all black, death metal (or whatever) clothes, refusing to give names and just skulking around... yeah I might be suspicious or nervous too unless I knew the tour organizer had checked them off as signed up. Would I call the cops? Probably not, but mostly because I am not assertive. But I would be whispering to DH and we might quietly leave.

I don’t think this woman did the right thing necessarily, but I don’t know that it was racism. Why wasn’t it sexist?

I believe the caller said the kids were Hispanic, even though they are not. Would she have made the call if the brothers had been white, Asian? I bet she would have had they been black. What was she scared of? The brothers faking being on a tour? Or being violent? Her call makes no sense. But IMO she made that call and felt a threat because of the color of their skin.

I would be concerned that one or both were planning a shooting or similar. Maybe disgruntled students or applicants or disillusioned high schoolers. Maybe even targeting college bound people who are part of the “system.” I understand this makes me “paranoid” like the caller and maybe it is because of my background. Again, I don’t think I would call the cops, but yes I may have been nervous or watchful. Who knows if the caller would have been as concerned if they were black? Black men aren’t known to be shooters.

Anonymous wrote:So it’s racism if people happen to be minorities... even if the “racist” didn’t know they were minorities? I think these kids could pass as white. They look like some of the really “weird” white kids I went to school with. And if I saw two guys show up late to an organized group somewhere wearing all black, death metal (or whatever) clothes, refusing to give names and just skulking around... yeah I might be suspicious or nervous too unless I knew the tour organizer had checked them off as signed up. Would I call the cops? Probably not, but mostly because I am not assertive. But I would be whispering to DH and we might quietly leave.

I don’t think this woman did the right thing necessarily, but I don’t know that it was racism. Why wasn’t it sexist?

The caller thought they were Hispanic, not white. What does it mean to “just skulk around”? Since when is wearing heavy metal T-shirts dangerous? But really, go ahead and leave when faced with such a serious situation as sharing the tour with guys like these. I wouldn’t mind. Wish the caller had chosen that option also.

Anonymous wrote:So it’s racism if people happen to be minorities... even if the “racist” didn’t know they were minorities? I think these kids could pass as white. They look like some of the really “weird” white kids I went to school with. And if I saw two guys show up late to an organized group somewhere wearing all black, death metal (or whatever) clothes, refusing to give names and just skulking around... yeah I might be suspicious or nervous too unless I knew the tour organizer had checked them off as signed up. Would I call the cops? Probably not, but mostly because I am not assertive. But I would be whispering to DH and we might quietly leave.

I don’t think this woman did the right thing necessarily, but I don’t know that it was racism. Why wasn’t it sexist?

I believe the caller said the kids were Hispanic, even though they are not. Would she have made the call if the brothers had been white, Asian? I bet she would have had they been black. What was she scared of? The brothers faking being on a tour? Or being violent? Her call makes no sense. But IMO she made that call and felt a threat because of the color of their skin.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you make a good point. “Gut” feelings are affected by bias. And white people’s discomfort around brown people should not be handled by removing the brown people from the scene. Jeez.

5:47, I’m going to look into the boarding schools you mention. But I’m curious why you were testy with the OP and didn’t engage her point. She doesn’t seem like the enemy here....

Probably because he’s a troll.

I’m not a troll. There are plenty of us still around, it gets old and tiring having to explain. I’m not going to explain to you why it’s offensive, and I don’t need you to explain to me why I shouldn’t be offended. I don’t think the OP is a racist or horrible person. But people in 2018 still need to be hand held about the native population of this country. Educate yourself. Would you speak like that to other minority populations? Probably not.

Indian Boarding Schools (it’s a term of art, so google that exact phrase) have a horrible history. It was the white man’s way to take children, especially from (but not exclusively from) reservations at a very young age, send them to religious boarding schools where their hair was cut, they were forced to dress in European style clothes, renamed, taught English, taught Christianity, forbidden to speak their native tongue, separated from their families and tribal culture, beaten, abused, and barely educated at all. Basically, take the “Indian” out of them and force them to be white, so that when they graduated and returned to their families they would have nothing in common. These children were forced to attend. Go to YouTube and watch videos under Indian Boarding Schools. Many baby boomers wee victims to this structure, they learned to deal with discipline with physical violence and other abuse, they weren’t raised in regular homes with their families. So when they went back, grew up, got married, had a family, they had no reference to how to raised kids other than what happened to them at these schools. And here starts the pattern of domestic violence in native populations, and the beat goes on......

So it’s racism if people happen to be minorities... even if the “racist” didn’t know they were minorities? I think these kids could pass as white. They look like some of the really “weird” white kids I went to school with. And if I saw two guys show up late to an organized group somewhere wearing all black, death metal (or whatever) clothes, refusing to give names and just skulking around... yeah I might be suspicious or nervous too unless I knew the tour organizer had checked them off as signed up. Would I call the cops? Probably not, but mostly because I am not assertive. But I would be whispering to DH and we might quietly leave.

I don’t think this woman did the right thing necessarily, but I don’t know that it was racism. Why wasn’t it sexist?

Anonymous wrote:OP, you make a good point. “Gut” feelings are affected by bias. And white people’s discomfort around brown people should not be handled by removing the brown people from the scene. Jeez.

5:47, I’m going to look into the boarding schools you mention. But I’m curious why you were testy with the OP and didn’t engage her point. She doesn’t seem like the enemy here....

Probably because he’s a troll.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

Get with the program, because we don’t like to be called “Indian”. We are not from Asia.

And what is horrible is that the younger brother goes to an Indian boarding school. I cannot believe there are still some in existence. Google them if you aren’t familiar with them.

My apologies, but last time I referred to someone as "Native American" (in my workplace) I was told with the same amount of disdain you are currently displaying that the proper term of address was "Indian from the --- tribe.

I guess I will just continue to offend.

This is my understanding as well- the museum is calledMuseum of the American Indian.

NP. We've had this discussion before. As someone of Indian/Southasian decent, I completely don't understand using the term "Indian" to refer to tribes in the US. It was an ignorant misnomer - why continue to use it?

I have heard the criticism around 'Native American' but it still seems like a MUCH better term than calling tribes "Indian" - which refer to South Asians and the Indian Subcontinent.

That said, the woman is a moron. I hope someone outs her hateful idiocy.

White mom like...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

Get with the program, because we don’t like to be called “Indian”. We are not from Asia.

And what is horrible is that the younger brother goes to an Indian boarding school. I cannot believe there are still some in existence. Google them if you aren’t familiar with them.

My apologies, but last time I referred to someone as "Native American" (in my workplace) I was told with the same amount of disdain you are currently displaying that the proper term of address was "Indian from the --- tribe.

I guess I will just continue to offend.

This is my understanding as well- the museum is calledMuseum of the American Indian.

OP, you make a good point. “Gut” feelings are affected by bias. And white people’s discomfort around brown people should not be handled by removing the brown people from the scene. Jeez.

5:47, I’m going to look into the boarding schools you mention. But I’m curious why you were testy with the OP and didn’t engage her point. She doesn’t seem like the enemy here....

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

Get with the program, because we don’t like to be called “Indian”. We are not from Asia.

And what is horrible is that the younger brother goes to an Indian boarding school. I cannot believe there are still some in existence. Google them if you aren’t familiar with them.

My apologies, but last time I referred to someone as "Native American" (in my workplace) I was told with the same amount of disdain you are currently displaying that the proper term of address was "Indian from the --- tribe.

I guess I will just continue to offend.

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

Get with the program, because we don’t like to be called “Indian”. We are not from Asia.

And what is horrible is that the younger brother goes to an Indian boarding school. I cannot believe there are still some in existence. Google them if you aren’t familiar with them.

Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/