Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former AZ resident all I can say to this thread and OP is:

Huh? The basic idea is to deport all the losers (criminals and high school dropouts) and allow the rest of the illegal aliens to remain in this country legally. So instead of your stupid eye roll, how about explaining why you think that's a bad idea?

Criminals are already deported. I am ok with HS dropouts because not everyone is a member of the educated elite. There are a variety of factors that play into dropping out of school and it doesn’t mean you’re lazy. I roll my eyes at the suggestion of fortifying the border more than it already is.

Anonymous wrote:As a former AZ resident all I can say to this thread and OP is:

Huh? The basic idea is to deport all the losers (criminals and high school dropouts) and allow the rest of the illegal aliens to remain in this country legally. So instead of your stupid eye roll, how about explaining why you think that's a bad idea?

Paranoid nut job says what?

As a former AZ resident all I can say to this thread and OP is:

I don’t trust the feds to “fortify” the border. That sounds like a huge drone contract for pelosi’s nephew and Mitch m’ childhood pal.

Illegal immigrants have no automatic right to freedom, Supreme Court rules

Immigrants being held for deportation don’t have an automatic right under the law to post bond and be set free, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday in a decision that could give the Trump administration more freedom to pursue stiff detention policies for illegal immigrants who show up at the border claiming asylum.

In the 5-3 ruling, the justices also took a dim view of the kinds of class-action lawsuits on behalf of immigrants that have become a key tool for anti-Trump immigrant rights activists, leaving the activists worried about the fates of other cases winding their way through the lower courts challenging President Trump on issues such as illegal immigrant Dreamers and Iraqi deportees.

The ruling was also a rebuke by the high court to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, which had its decision overturned.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/27/supreme-court-backs-donald-trump-illegal-immigrant

It sounds like a good start overall to me. My questions:

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In return, ALL remaining illegal immigrants will be granted permanent resident status, with a card that allows them to be legally employed and pay income taxes. There will be no voting privileges, but they are free to come out of the shadows.

Does that mean voter id for everyone else?
Also, how does one avoid the courts independently deciding that those individuals, once receiving permanent resident status, should have a right or path to citizenship (and thus voting rights)?
And, how do you send a message to deter people from attempting to enter the states illegally in the future? The deportations might, or might not, send that message, depending on how they are carried out.

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Anonymous wrote:No need to repeal the 14th amendment. It's simply being misapplied.

", and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,"

Why is the comma in front of the and important? The meaning doesn't seem to change to me.

Not PP but with the commas it can be interpreted as the people in the bolded clause being different people as "all persons born or naturalized" because the commas create separate clauses. Meaning you could interpret it as 2 groups being granted the rights vis a vis being 'citizens' -- people are born or naturalized citizens, and those who reside here and are subject to the laws here.

"all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the States wherein they reside."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These sound good. Be sure to add in:

-No welfare dependence in any form. Or risk of becoming dependent if “legalized”

-Repeal the 14th

-slow down even legal immigration for the time being, in order to better integrate those already here. End this politically correct multiculturalism bs. It’s not normal and never going to work. You want to come here? Fine. Assimilate and don’t expect hand outs.

How about this for a compromise -- we'll repeal 14th if we also repeal 2nd.

OP here - it's a deal.

Anonymous wrote:These sound good. Be sure to add in:

-No welfare dependence in any form. Or risk of becoming dependent if “legalized”

-Repeal the 14th

-slow down even legal immigration for the time being, in order to better integrate those already here. End this politically correct multiculturalism bs. It’s not normal and never going to work. You want to come here? Fine. Assimilate and don’t expect hand outs.

How about this for a compromise -- we'll repeal 14th if we also repeal 2nd.

Anonymous wrote:No need to repeal the 14th amendment. It's simply being misapplied.

", and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,"

Why is the comma in front of the and important? The meaning doesn't seem to change to me.

No need to repeal the 14th amendment. It's simply being misapplied.

", and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,"

These sound good. Be sure to add in:

-No welfare dependence in any form. Or risk of becoming dependent if “legalized”

-Repeal the 14th

-slow down even legal immigration for the time being, in order to better integrate those already here. End this politically correct multiculturalism bs. It’s not normal and never going to work. You want to come here? Fine. Assimilate and don’t expect hand outs.

- Deport criminal aliens upon completion of their sentences.

- Deport any illegal alien known to be involved in criminal organizations (AKA gang activity).

- Strongly enforce laws against hiring undocumented workers, including potential jail time for repeat offenders.

- Make it easier/cheaper to get visas for temporary workers in industries that have trouble filling their openings with U.S. citizens.

- Assuming nativists aren't just lying when they claim their concern is solely with illegal aliens, make it easier/cheaper to legally immigrate to the U.S.

- Invest in better border security, not necessarily "more" or "bigger." Trump's Wall is about the dumbest thing ever, but that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.

- Expand DACA to cover anyone remaining, subject to renewal based on demonstrated continuous employment, education, and/or status as head of family/primary caregiver of U.S. citizens.

How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

Step 2: ANYONE associated with MS-13 is also deported.

Step 3: Anyone who has not completed high school and is 21+ is also deported. They are drains on our society.

Step 4: Fortify the border so that no additional illegal immigrants come in (and particularly to keep the newly deported criminal aliens from crossing bwck over).

In return, ALL remaining illegal immigrants will be granted permanent resident status, with a card that allows them to be legally employed and pay income taxes. There will be no voting privileges, but they are free to come out of the shadows.