Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some laws make sense. Like, "Don't take other peoples' stuff."

Others make no sense, like "You should go to prison if your lobster is half an inch too short." (google it)

Telling people they can't have guns that look scary falls into the second category.

If they only looked scary, no one would care.

And yet, that's what it boils down to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

OK so let's hear your solution - and I swear to all that is holy you'd better not just say "mental health blah blah blah." Most people with mental illness are not violent, and I have yet to see any credible reporting that most of the mass murdering shooters committed these violent acts due to mental illness. They seem evil, not sick. So let's hear your solutions, eh?

This was written in response to what should we do to address the "gun violence" problem:

If by "gun violence problem" you mean the actual gun violence problem (see: Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, etc), they need to:
- stop the revolving door of justice and keep violent people in prison for their full terms, until they age out of it
- stop the drug war (which goes hand-in-hand with 1st point)

If by "gun violence problem" you mean "school shootings" or "mass shootings" (to exclude terrorism-related mass shootings):
- Feds should investigate and release what medications prior shooters were on or had recently stopped taking
- release this information publicly
- should kinda sort itself out after that, but also limit pharmaceutical advertisements on TV, so the networks aren't disincentivized from actually reporting this

We don't have a gun problem in the big cities. We have a gang problem and a drug problem. Would you rather they use acid or knives like they do in the UK? Google how many acid attacks happen each year in London. I think it was 500 last year. Nobody is going to carry acid for self-defense, but decent, law-abiding people should be able carry a gun they know how to use.

Even still, the "gun problem" in the US isn't that big. Most gun deaths are suicides. Then come drug homicides, and things like people being killed by the police or victims. Mass shootings are minuscule in comparison, but they get all the attention because if it bleeds it leads. Most non-suicide gun homicides in the US occur in a handful of cities, and within a handful of neighborhoods in those cities. Just cleaning up a few city blocks in a few places would have a greater impact than any kind of feel-good legislation. But the lives saved wouldn't be white, so people don't seem to care so much. So yeah, there's that.

Anonymous wrote:What about, "Keep your nose out of my private life! It is not your business how many or what kind of guns I own"

Sweetie, if gun owners only killed each other - I would gladly stay out of your "business".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people who oppose any gun regulation also always use: "More people are killed by cars" as if that were remotely relevant. It is like saying since more people die from heart disease than cancer - we should do nothing to cure and prevent cancer!

No, it's like saying that since more people die from heart disease than cancer, we shouldn't outlaw any cancer treatment that doesn't rely on outlawing yellow t-shirts.

No, it isn't like that at all. Because there is a correlation between gun ownership and the likelihood that you or someone in your home will die by a gun. Yellow t-shirts aren't in any way connected to cancer. But guns are connected to gun deaths. And there is significant evidence that lowering the rates of gun ownership is connected to lower rates of gun deaths ...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people who oppose any gun regulation also always use: "More people are killed by cars" as if that were remotely relevant. It is like saying since more people die from heart disease than cancer - we should do nothing to cure and prevent cancer!

No, it's like saying that since more people die from heart disease than cancer, we shouldn't outlaw any cancer treatment that doesn't rely on outlawing yellow t-shirts.

You are still talking about the banning of assault weapons, PP. There is so much more to gun safety legislation that that.

But if banning yellow shirts saved lives - I am for it.

Anonymous wrote:The people who oppose any gun regulation also always use: "More people are killed by cars" as if that were remotely relevant. It is like saying since more people die from heart disease than cancer - we should do nothing to cure and prevent cancer!

Yes, to your point, PP. But also, gun death and traffic death numbers have converged. So that already lame argument isn't relevant anymore.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/17/guns-are-now-killing-as-many-people-as-cars-in-the-u-s/?utm_term=.a708cbb4d9f1

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some laws make sense. Like, "Don't take other peoples' stuff."

Others make no sense, like "You should go to prison if your lobster is half an inch too short." (google it)

Telling people they can't have guns that look scary falls into the second category.

If they only looked scary, no one would care.

And yet, that's what it boils down to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

No, Dear - it isn't. I am a gun owner, btw, and a veteran. I am vehemently opposed to any rifle or handgun that falls into the assault weapons category and all extended clips. If you cannot hit a target in seven shots, you have no business owning a firearm.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some laws make sense. Like, "Don't take other peoples' stuff."

Others make no sense, like "You should go to prison if your lobster is half an inch too short." (google it)

Telling people they can't have guns that look scary falls into the second category.

If they only looked scary, no one would care.

And yet, that's what it boils down to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

OK so let's hear your solution - and I swear to all that is holy you'd better not just say "mental health blah blah blah." Most people with mental illness are not violent, and I have yet to see any credible reporting that most of the mass murdering shooters committed these violent acts due to mental illness. They seem evil, not sick. So let's hear your solutions, eh?

Anonymous wrote:The people who oppose any gun regulation also always use: "More people are killed by cars" as if that were remotely relevant. It is like saying since more people die from heart disease than cancer - we should do nothing to cure and prevent cancer!

No, it's like saying that since more people die from heart disease than cancer, we shouldn't outlaw any cancer treatment that doesn't rely on outlawing yellow t-shirts.

What about, "Keep your nose out of my private life! It is not your business how many or what kind of guns I own"

Sweetie, if gun owners only killed each other - I would gladly stay out of your "business".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some laws make sense. Like, "Don't take other peoples' stuff."

Others make no sense, like "You should go to prison if your lobster is half an inch too short." (google it)

Telling people they can't have guns that look scary falls into the second category.

If they only looked scary, no one would care.

And yet, that's what it boils down to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

No one has said we can't have laws because criminals break them.

People have said, that more laws alone won't stop criminals so in addition to the laws we need to take practical steps to stop the criminals.

Why that second piece is so offensive to some or so hard for some people to understand is beyond me.

Anonymous wrote:Some laws make sense. Like, "Don't take other peoples' stuff."

Others make no sense, like "You should go to prison if your lobster is half an inch too short." (google it)

Telling people they can't have guns that look scary falls into the second category.

If they only looked scary, no one would care.

The people who oppose any gun regulation also always use: "More people are killed by cars" as if that were remotely relevant. It is like saying since more people die from heart disease than cancer - we should do nothing to cure and prevent cancer!

Some laws make sense. Like, "Don't take other peoples' stuff."

Others make no sense, like "You should go to prison if your lobster is half an inch too short." (google it)

Telling people they can't have guns that look scary falls into the second category.

Seriously do you guys ever think about what a dumb argument that is?

How about:
"We shouldn't have speeding limits because people will just speed"

"We shouldn't lock our doors because criminals could still break into our house"

"Why bother making murder a felony because people will still murder each other"