I’m a female that bought into it and I believe it’s been detrimental to my life. I was told to “not waste the pretty” and to marry the richest, most alpha guy I could while still in my 20s. So I did. Surprise, it sucks.

If you define “market value” as”how many men can you attract”, then sure, my market value peaked in my 20s. But I’ve found that as an emotionally healthy, mature person in my 30s I attract much higher quality men than I did as a hot but immature and damaged 20-something.

Same for my DH- yea, he has high value in the sense that he has money and a prestigious job. But he’s very difficult to be in a relationship with and women with decent self-esteem can’t put up with him long term.

I do feel really bad for young guys who are socially awkward and buy into the red pill stuff. It seems like they are being taken advantage of and fed lies about how one day they will get laid by beautiful women right and left...if they pay 19.99 for this ebook, $99 for this course, or $299 for this weekend workshop. One PUA who I am still on the mailing list for has weeklong events in Vegas that cost thousands of dollars and promises men they’ll meet rich CEOs and gorgeous women will fawn all over them. Reality is, they are usually still awkward with women and still don’t get laid after emptying their bank accounts for this crap, and now they have a huge chip on their shoulder because they’ve been led to believe they are entitled to sex from beautiful women.

Get therapy for your issues, be a positive person, work hard, have passions, live a full and interesting life. The relationship thing will then sort itself out.

MGTOW (and the red pill generally) has just enough kernels of truth to hook men who are emotionally damaged by relationships and poison them pretty thoroughly by stoking their rage and by filling their heads with a lot of things that are either untrue, unhelpful, or both.

The qualities that make a man sexually attractive don't overlap perfectly with the qualities that make a man a good, stable family-man. We should be a little more forthright about that so it doesn't lead to resentment by guys who feel like they've "earned" sex -- or probably more galling to them, feeling that the guys getting the girls have not "earned" sex.

MGTOW = Maximum Gross Take Off Weight, an aviation acronym

Maybe this new version is about how fat 40-something dudes can get and still hope to date?

MGTOW is an outlet for entitled me to have their feelings of entitlement validated by other men.

I think mgtow is mostly older guys, often divorced. Younger people are probably more exposed to and harmed by videos about Ron Paul and the gold standard than this thing.

In my 40s now and have never heard of it.

This would never appeal to a guy in his 20s who is already successful dating and with relationships.

The only men who would be attracted to MGTOW would be men who really, really struggle in attracting women or only attracting women who want to use them.

I don't think taking an approach of just focusing on themselves mindfully is a bad idea. Instead of feeling sorry for themselves and wasting their lives away playing video games and despairing that women don't genuinely want them, they would instead be focusing on building their skills, self reliance, careers, and self-worth.

This can only be a good thing for them personally and for society. For a lot of these men who don't have natural charm and good looks, it is actually true that they wouldn't be truly attractive to women unless they really reached their potential as men later in life.

I don't see it as a bad thing.

I was under the impression that the MGTOW is basically the male Lysistrata. They're not playing the "long game." They are eschewing relationships with women, permanently.

For a 22 year old woman, the only attractive thing about a 40 year old is their wallet.

Misleading chart. 22-year-olds make the prettiest models, so what. Who do men try to actually date, by age?

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Anonymous wrote: younger women shouldn't believe that their Sexual Market Value peaks at the age of 22.

Except, it does.

Umm ... except for a 22 year old woman, it's a SELLERS market. The fact that younger women look more attractive to older men has zero to do with what kind of dates 40+ men can get.

The statistics show that a full 1/3 of married couples are the SAME AGE. And the average difference is just 3-4 years. The George Clooneys of the world are the outliers.

Anonymous wrote: younger women shouldn't believe that their Sexual Market Value peaks at the age of 22.

Except, it does.

But...I mean men in their 40s tend to make more financially and finally have stopped being assholes "hopefully".

Never heard of it.

It seems that MGTOW Men Go Their Own Way, has proliferated with coaches, usually divorced men in their 40s, on YouTube, with endless videos about Sexual Market Value. They encourage the younger men to believe they will have a higher market value when they are in their 40s.

Maybe in cities with higher cost of living this could be an issue.

I really hope that younger men don't take their advice and wait until they are in their 40s to start dating. And younger women shouldn't believe that their Sexual Market Value peaks at the age of 22. If she wants kids, be aware of the biological clock. Don't put a value on yourself based only on your age and looks.