Anonymous wrote:These numbers explain a lot. The emphasis on sexiness and hotness for women is MUCH more intense than it was when I grew up. It overwhelms all the other talk about the need for a woman to be educated, confident and career focused.
Look at actresses in the UK. There are many, many relatively normal looking women. In the US you must be a sex goddess.

Why do you give a crap about actresses? And do you have reason to believe that Northern Europeans like Swedes care less about their looks? To the best of my knowledge they are more concerned with looking good as they age than Americans .

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I believe the seeds of this message germinate in our homes

The linked to article mentions no causes except lack of paid maternity leave.

+1. OP, stop using your head.

Did you mean to start using her head?

I believe her point is that she believes the problem starts at home. I agree. Just look at the division of labor in most homes. Not all of them, of course, but in the vast majority of households it is the women who are performing most of the menial labor that is necessary.

She believes, based on what, patriarchy blah blah blah? What is different in Scandinavia or Ireland? The article doesn't say. My personal guess: in Scandinavia an expectation that women go into engineering and into political leadership, less judgement for doing that from men OR women. My guess.

#me-too women are helpless victims brah

Anonymous wrote:Isn't it possible that after a generation or two of two-income households, people are placing more importance on having a parent stay home with their kids? And yes, there is a natural and biological proclivity for that stay at home parent to be the woman. You can argue whether that is right or wrong, but the data support that conclusion.

Why is it considered "equality in retreat" if a woman wants to stay home with her kids? My wife was raised by a single professional woman and had a successful professional career herself. And now she is out of the workforce, as a stay at home parent. That hardly puts her in retreat or gender inequality.

The issue with that is that most men don't make enough to support a SAHM.

I also have yet to see a SAHM/ working man relationship that was equal. The SAHM's DH is let off from doing anything. DH and I both work and my DH does 10x more than the husbands of the SAHMs I know and they're bitter about it. The men think that just because they work, they shouldn't do anything at home, which I think gives children the wrong message.

These numbers explain a lot. The emphasis on sexiness and hotness for women is MUCH more intense than it was when I grew up. It overwhelms all the other talk about the need for a woman to be educated, confident and career focused.
Look at actresses in the UK. There are many, many relatively normal looking women. In the US you must be a sex goddess.

Isn't it possible that after a generation or two of two-income households, people are placing more importance on having a parent stay home with their kids? And yes, there is a natural and biological proclivity for that stay at home parent to be the woman. You can argue whether that is right or wrong, but the data support that conclusion.

Why is it considered "equality in retreat" if a woman wants to stay home with her kids? My wife was raised by a single professional woman and had a successful professional career herself. And now she is out of the workforce, as a stay at home parent. That hardly puts her in retreat or gender inequality.

We are a couple in our early 40's. There is equal division of labour, maybe he does more outside work, but I am fine with that.

Anonymous wrote:huh? I'm a millennial married to a millennial. The men I know and the man I married fully support women's rights. Men do chores, they make half the income, they're great fathers and supportive parents. Our father's generation (boomers) and our grandfather's generation (born in 20s) didn't do any of this. The world is changing!

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands, but raise lazy sons too. They just don't see the disconnect that they're raising someone's future lazy husband.

+1 This.

I'm 31 and a WOHM. I've never felt that there has ever been any unequal division of labor in our home. And yes, we live in DC, we have two small children, and we both work FT outside the home (so it's not like he telecommutes and is able to throw on laundry and dinner).

huh? I'm a millennial married to a millennial. The men I know and the man I married fully support women's rights. Men do chores, they make half the income, they're great fathers and supportive parents. Our father's generation (boomers) and our grandfather's generation (born in 20s) didn't do any of this. The world is changing!

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands, but raise lazy sons too. They just don't see the disconnect that they're raising someone's future lazy husband.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I believe the seeds of this message germinate in our homes

The linked to article mentions no causes except lack of paid maternity leave.

+1. OP, stop using your head.

Did you mean to start using her head?

I believe her point is that she believes the problem starts at home. I agree. Just look at the division of labor in most homes. Not all of them, of course, but in the vast majority of households it is the women who are performing most of the menial labor that is necessary.

10:34, here. Sorry, meant it as sarcasm.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I believe the seeds of this message germinate in our homes

The linked to article mentions no causes except lack of paid maternity leave.

+1. OP, stop using your head.

Did you mean to start using her head?

I believe her point is that she believes the problem starts at home. I agree. Just look at the division of labor in most homes. Not all of them, of course, but in the vast majority of households it is the women who are performing most of the menial labor that is necessary.

Anonymous wrote:

I believe the seeds of this message germinate in our homes

The linked to article mentions no causes except lack of paid maternity leave.

+1. OP, stop using your head.

I believe the seeds of this message germinate in our homes

The linked to article mentions no causes except lack of paid maternity leave.

I mean...Trump won. Does this surprise you?

Somehow, IMO, the message that mothers and daughters are inferior to fathers and sons is getting louder and the roots are spreading and deepening. I believe the seeds of this message germinate in our homes, and then society. If we are serious about erasing gender inequality, we have to stop and take inventory of our behavior at home - and assess how those norms may be inadvertently sending our DH and DC the wrong messages.

A recent report by The World Economic Forum says that "equality is in retreat" for the first time since the group starting tracking the issue in 2006. The report, which examines gender imbalances in economics and the workplace, education, politics and health, found that years of global gains made by women are beginning to erode.

The U.S. slipped four spots to 49th out of 144 countries. It now ranks behind countries including the United Kingdom (15th), Australia (35th) and Bangladesh (47th). Back in 2006, the U.S. was in the 23rd spot. Here's the ranking of the best 10 countries for gender equality:

1. Iceland
2. Norway
3. Finland
4. Rwanda
5. Sweden
6. Nicaragua
7. Slovenia
8. Ireland
9. New Zealand
10. Philippines

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/02/news/gender-gap-inequality/index.html