Anonymous wrote:Special Eduction can mean anything from really mild to very severe. I would assume it is more because parents in that area can afford the expensive SN privates that typically run $40-70K, that many of us would love to send our kids to but cannot afford.

May be true, but then how come Whitman special education kids have a drastically higher score than Churchill?

Another thing to keep in mind is that when we're comparing the SAT scores, is that there are lots of factors about which kids take which tests.

For example, BCC sent in the application for SAT testing accommodations for my kid so late, and with so many errors, that he didn't get what he needed. On the other hand, since parents can fill out the ACT form, it was turned in early and accurately. Needless to say, my kid took the ACT and not the SAT, so he isn't reflected in those numbers. If he had been, he'd have pulled the average down.

There are also schools out there (I am not saying this is or isn't true about Churchill, I have no experience there) that steer kids with disabilities towards community college and discourage them from taking either test, as well as schools that encourage every kid to take both tests and don't do a good job of counseling kids to pick the one that aligns with their strengths or has the accommodations they need. Without knowing what a particular school does, and what subset of students at the school take the SAT, you can't tell much from average scores.

I think the Bridge program ( at both Churchill and Gaithersburg HS) is the worst special ed program MCPS has. The program is poor, the outcomes are not good, and it needs a complete redesign.

This is SAT scores and has nothing to do with SN or FARMS. It has to do with the poor quality of education and reduced SAT scores. Maybe we should do a better job educating our kids and focusing on what they need to know vs. the curriculum 2.0 nonsense.

What does the score mean? Acadamic acheivement? Discipline? There was a student from the Bridge was charged with rape on a Rockville street last year. Is it the fault of Churchill HS? I was ashamed of CHurchill HS but dont know how to improve the school without removing the trouble maker.

Special Eduction can mean anything from really mild to very severe. I would assume it is more because parents in that area can afford the expensive SN privates that typically run $40-70K, that many of us would love to send our kids to but cannot afford.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am simply going by scores published by MCPS.

Churchill - 1326 ( Special Education)

Just to put some comparison with other schools in region,

BCC - 1519
WJ - 1421
Whitman - 1623
Wootton - 1399
RM - 1615
Einstein - 1436
Watkins mill - 1550

There could be some magnet effect in some schools, but lots of schools have higher scores than Churchill. Churchill is a very well off area and parents have resource to help kids and yet scores are poor when compared to many other schools. Am I missing something here?

Not the main topic, but Chuchill does equally poor with FARMs students as well despite having advantage of having so few FARMs. Looks like one of the worst schools for disadvantage kids.


Ref - Page 19 - http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/160929%20SAT%20Exam%20Participation%20Perform.pdf

Churchill doesn’t do poorly with farms, there is only a very small population that would struggle anywhere. There simply aren’t any hard working motivated farm populations nearby to cover them up statistically. Goes to show you the whole BS narrative about putting poor kids in with successful kids being this magic fix all.

Whitman has a tiny % of FARMs, yet their scores are higher than those in Churchill.

They are not a legacy pocket of poverty, the Whitman farms are typically motivated foreigners who went there for the opportunity.

So, basically, if you have to live near poor people, live near an immigrant community rather than real American poor people.

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Anonymous wrote:There are different levels of special when it comes to the kids, I don’t think any meaningful comparison can be made for a far. Some Kids are just really stupid and others are cripplingly disabled and everything in between. You don’t know the mix and they are off to the side so why does it really matter?

WTF?

While crassly put it is the truth. Why beat around the bush

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am simply going by scores published by MCPS.

Churchill - 1326 ( Special Education)

Just to put some comparison with other schools in region,

BCC - 1519
WJ - 1421
Whitman - 1623
Wootton - 1399
RM - 1615
Einstein - 1436
Watkins mill - 1550

There could be some magnet effect in some schools, but lots of schools have higher scores than Churchill. Churchill is a very well off area and parents have resource to help kids and yet scores are poor when compared to many other schools. Am I missing something here?

Not the main topic, but Chuchill does equally poor with FARMs students as well despite having advantage of having so few FARMs. Looks like one of the worst schools for disadvantage kids.


Ref - Page 19 - http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/160929%20SAT%20Exam%20Participation%20Perform.pdf

Churchill doesn’t do poorly with farms, there is only a very small population that would struggle anywhere. There simply aren’t any hard working motivated farm populations nearby to cover them up statistically. Goes to show you the whole BS narrative about putting poor kids in with successful kids being this magic fix all.

Whitman has a tiny % of FARMs, yet their scores are higher than those in Churchill.

They are not a legacy pocket of poverty, the Whitman farms are typically motivated foreigners who went there for the opportunity.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am simply going by scores published by MCPS.

Churchill - 1326 ( Special Education)

Just to put some comparison with other schools in region,

BCC - 1519
WJ - 1421
Whitman - 1623
Wootton - 1399
RM - 1615
Einstein - 1436
Watkins mill - 1550

There could be some magnet effect in some schools, but lots of schools have higher scores than Churchill. Churchill is a very well off area and parents have resource to help kids and yet scores are poor when compared to many other schools. Am I missing something here?

Not the main topic, but Chuchill does equally poor with FARMs students as well despite having advantage of having so few FARMs. Looks like one of the worst schools for disadvantage kids.


Ref - Page 19 - http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/160929%20SAT%20Exam%20Participation%20Perform.pdf

Churchill doesn’t do poorly with farms, there is only a very small population that would struggle anywhere. There simply aren’t any hard working motivated farm populations nearby to cover them up statistically. Goes to show you the whole BS narrative about putting poor kids in with successful kids being this magic fix all.

Whitman has a tiny % of FARMs, yet their scores are higher than those in Churchill.

Anonymous wrote:I am simply going by scores published by MCPS.

Churchill - 1326 ( Special Education)

Just to put some comparison with other schools in region,

BCC - 1519
WJ - 1421
Whitman - 1623
Wootton - 1399
RM - 1615
Einstein - 1436
Watkins mill - 1550

There could be some magnet effect in some schools, but lots of schools have higher scores than Churchill. Churchill is a very well off area and parents have resource to help kids and yet scores are poor when compared to many other schools. Am I missing something here?

Not the main topic, but Chuchill does equally poor with FARMs students as well despite having advantage of having so few FARMs. Looks like one of the worst schools for disadvantage kids.


Ref - Page 19 - http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/160929%20SAT%20Exam%20Participation%20Perform.pdf

Churchill doesn’t do poorly with farms, there is only a very small population that would struggle anywhere. There simply aren’t any hard working motivated farm populations nearby to cover them up statistically. Goes to show you the whole BS narrative about putting poor kids in with successful kids being this magic fix all.

Anonymous wrote:There are different levels of special when it comes to the kids, I don’t think any meaningful comparison can be made for a far. Some Kids are just really stupid and others are cripplingly disabled and everything in between. You don’t know the mix and they are off to the side so why does it really matter?

WTF?

Comparing special education programs isn't as simple as simply comparing scores. Whitman, for example, has a number of students in LFI and SCB who take alternative assessments, but are counted in those numbers, whereas Churchill has a number of students in the Autism program and the Bridge program who have substantial difficulties (as demonstrated by the fact that they're bused to a school specifically for the special ed program), and yet are still expected to take the same assessment as students without disabilities. BCC doesn't have programs in either categories.

I'm not saying that Churchill is good. I don't have a lot of experience with it, just that you can't judge a school's special education program simply by test scores because kids are so different from each other.

There are different levels of special when it comes to the kids, I don’t think any meaningful comparison can be made for a far. Some Kids are just really stupid and others are cripplingly disabled and everything in between. You don’t know the mix and they are off to the side so why does it really matter?

I am simply going by scores published by MCPS.

Churchill - 1326 ( Special Education)

Just to put some comparison with other schools in region,

BCC - 1519
WJ - 1421
Whitman - 1623
Wootton - 1399
RM - 1615
Einstein - 1436
Watkins mill - 1550

There could be some magnet effect in some schools, but lots of schools have higher scores than Churchill. Churchill is a very well off area and parents have resource to help kids and yet scores are poor when compared to many other schools. Am I missing something here?

Not the main topic, but Chuchill does equally poor with FARMs students as well despite having advantage of having so few FARMs. Looks like one of the worst schools for disadvantage kids.


Ref - Page 19 - http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/160929%20SAT%20Exam%20Participation%20Perform.pdf