Anonymous
10/06/2017 15:12
Subject: Re:HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread is obnoxious. [/quote]
I agree and have been baffled by all the "HYP" "HYPSM" "Stanford EA vs Yale EA" "Columbia double legacy" "Is Cornell an ivy?" posts in the last month. Do the posting parents have any understanding of how difficult it is today to get into these schools? It's not a popular phrase, but it is a lottery. Your chances are miniscule even with perfect scores and legacy parents. Why bother with all this posting. Parents who are just entering this application season are far better off going to collegeconfidential. At least there they will get a better sense of how challenging it is to get into some of these schools and how they have to keep telling their DCs that it is like going to Vegas - don't get your hopes up.
I agree +1000. I just had 2 kids go thru the process. But every time we say it is a lottery, some parent will chime up - 'oh,no, my DC had good grades and nothing else and got in to HYPS'. So until these people go through the process themselves, they won't believe those who had just gone through the process.
Anonymous
10/06/2017 14:38
Subject: Re:HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
Anonymous wrote:This thread is obnoxious. [/quote]
I agree and have been baffled by all the "HYP" "HYPSM" "Stanford EA vs Yale EA" "Columbia double legacy" "Is Cornell an ivy?" posts in the last month. Do the posting parents have any understanding of how difficult it is today to get into these schools? It's not a popular phrase, but it is a lottery. Your chances are miniscule even with perfect scores and legacy parents. Why bother with all this posting. Parents who are just entering this application season are far better off going to collegeconfidential. At least there they will get a better sense of how challenging it is to get into some of these schools and how they have to keep telling their DCs that it is like going to Vegas - don't get your hopes up.
Anonymous
10/06/2017 13:47
Subject: Re:HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
It comes down to how much a university is really investing in their classroom sizes (especially for that critical freshman year), how they approach their study abroad and summer programs, their hands on investing in post college results, the living situations and then the spending on extracurricular activities. Those are all prioritized and handled differently by each school. The question is a good one to ask but it can't be addressed well as HYPSM vs. all else. The answer comparing Harvard to Brown is different than between Harvard and Penn.
Anonymous
10/06/2017 13:09
Subject: HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
Well, but there are those types of differences among HYPSM, as well as between HYPSM and other excellent colleges. So while your point is well taken, it's neither the question being posed nor the question being answered.
I agree that the thread isn't inherently obnoxious -- is all you're getting fame/name recognition or is there something qualitatively different about the education/opportunities offered by HYPSM is a legit question.
I agree that the thread isn't inherently obnoxious -- is all you're getting fame/name recognition or is there something qualitatively different about the education/opportunities offered by HYPSM is a legit question.
Anonymous
10/06/2017 13:06
Subject: Re:HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread is obnoxious.
I disagree. People tend to paint top schools with one broad brush. There are some big differences in how schools use their endowments to enrich the student experience. Some schools use it to have the best food options or build incredible living spaces. Others use it to fully fund internships and provide critical support to help students succeed. And others use it to make sure the student body is economically diverse. IMO it's important to understand these differences and how it impacts the overall student experience. Where this money goes = what the college actually values and I personally want to know that before shipping my kid off.
+1 I'm interested in knowing about the practical differences that as well.
Anonymous
10/06/2017 12:36
Subject: Re:HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
Anonymous wrote:This thread is obnoxious.
I disagree. People tend to paint top schools with one broad brush. There are some big differences in how schools use their endowments to enrich the student experience. Some schools use it to have the best food options or build incredible living spaces. Others use it to fully fund internships and provide critical support to help students succeed. And others use it to make sure the student body is economically diverse. IMO it's important to understand these differences and how it impacts the overall student experience. Where this money goes = what the college actually values and I personally want to know that before shipping my kid off.
Anonymous
10/06/2017 12:32
Subject: HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
It also depends on the kid. My DD looked at ivys but none were places she wanted to attend. She wanted to get away from a city and away from a large school. So she is looking at schools that could be described as lower elite because that is where she feels most comfortable. I'm confident she'll do better in a small rural school because that is what she needs right now. So for her, I think she'll benefit more from a lower elite school than she would at the top schools you list. As I said, I really think it depends on the kid.
Anonymous
10/06/2017 11:58
Subject: Re:HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
This thread is obnoxious.
Anonymous
10/06/2017 11:44
Subject: HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
"Lower elite" is an obnoxious phrase.
Anonymous
10/06/2017 11:43
Subject: HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
UChicago kid has friends at HYPM -- similar resources/opportunities. UofC intro level classes seem to be smaller. Profs have been very helpful, friendly, supportive. DC seems to have had more career advising than the others, but I can't tell whether that's a function of the institution or of which kids chose to take advantage of which opportunities at which stage. Got an excellent, paid, summer research opp after first year at a world class facility through a UofC program.
Anonymous
10/06/2017 08:53
Subject: HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
Anonymous wrote:I can speak for HYP vs another Ivy (children at both).
The child at the non-HYP Ivy is happier and more satisfied overall with the sense of community, undergrad focus, and quality of education. The child at HYP is pretty content as well, but there is a noticeable difference in funding and opportunities. For instance, child at non-HYP had to apply for competitive internship funding up to $4000, and while they got it, a number of friends didn't. Child at HYP got multiple summer experiences funded alongside international conferences during the school year (publicized by the school for all interested students), over $10000 to start a new organization, and a lot more. Key influential speakers visit the child at HYP a lot more to the point there's a joke about missing all the influential connections for a low-key party with food. The graduate facilities are distinguished and have a lot of connection to the undergrads at HYP, making it easy for a student to work at law, medicine, etc. if they desire. Many Nobel laureate faculty members who take undergrads within their wings. On campus recruiting is a major difference too- while non HYP child probably has little worry about getting a lucrative job in the long term, a lot more recruiting happens at HYP.
All that said, we don't feel like there's a massive difference. HYP win by the sheer number of opportunities, sure, but at both HYP and non-HYP there are far too many opportunities to take advantage of than anyone could. Given the more positive experiences of our non-HYP child, we believe that our money is more worth it there. You can't go wrong with either group.
My kids is exploring both and we've heard over and over again this same feedback. Specifically the difference between Yale and Brown for example.
Anonymous
10/06/2017 08:12
Subject: HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
And the difference between lower Ivy and top public - the chasm is so wide and deep....
Anonymous
10/06/2017 08:08
Subject: HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
New poster - just want to thank the previous poster for that thorough, well-informed and very interesting and helpful response.
Anonymous
10/05/2017 23:04
Subject: HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
I can speak for HYP vs another Ivy (children at both).
The child at the non-HYP Ivy is happier and more satisfied overall with the sense of community, undergrad focus, and quality of education. The child at HYP is pretty content as well, but there is a noticeable difference in funding and opportunities. For instance, child at non-HYP had to apply for competitive internship funding up to $4000, and while they got it, a number of friends didn't. Child at HYP got multiple summer experiences funded alongside international conferences during the school year (publicized by the school for all interested students), over $10000 to start a new organization, and a lot more. Key influential speakers visit the child at HYP a lot more to the point there's a joke about missing all the influential connections for a low-key party with food. The graduate facilities are distinguished and have a lot of connection to the undergrads at HYP, making it easy for a student to work at law, medicine, etc. if they desire. Many Nobel laureate faculty members who take undergrads within their wings. On campus recruiting is a major difference too- while non HYP child probably has little worry about getting a lucrative job in the long term, a lot more recruiting happens at HYP.
All that said, we don't feel like there's a massive difference. HYP win by the sheer number of opportunities, sure, but at both HYP and non-HYP there are far too many opportunities to take advantage of than anyone could. Given the more positive experiences of our non-HYP child, we believe that our money is more worth it there. You can't go wrong with either group.
The child at the non-HYP Ivy is happier and more satisfied overall with the sense of community, undergrad focus, and quality of education. The child at HYP is pretty content as well, but there is a noticeable difference in funding and opportunities. For instance, child at non-HYP had to apply for competitive internship funding up to $4000, and while they got it, a number of friends didn't. Child at HYP got multiple summer experiences funded alongside international conferences during the school year (publicized by the school for all interested students), over $10000 to start a new organization, and a lot more. Key influential speakers visit the child at HYP a lot more to the point there's a joke about missing all the influential connections for a low-key party with food. The graduate facilities are distinguished and have a lot of connection to the undergrads at HYP, making it easy for a student to work at law, medicine, etc. if they desire. Many Nobel laureate faculty members who take undergrads within their wings. On campus recruiting is a major difference too- while non HYP child probably has little worry about getting a lucrative job in the long term, a lot more recruiting happens at HYP.
All that said, we don't feel like there's a massive difference. HYP win by the sheer number of opportunities, sure, but at both HYP and non-HYP there are far too many opportunities to take advantage of than anyone could. Given the more positive experiences of our non-HYP child, we believe that our money is more worth it there. You can't go wrong with either group.
Anonymous
10/05/2017 22:29
Subject: HYPSM vs lower elite schools for quality /opportunities
Are there any practical differences in opportunities for kids at HYPSM vs the lower elite schools? (by lower elite I mean, places like Columbia, Penn, Duke, UChicago, Brown etc).
I know HYPSM have obviously greater lay prestige and all, but what additional practical benefit do they provide over the other top places?
I know HYPSM have obviously greater lay prestige and all, but what additional practical benefit do they provide over the other top places?