Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 11:10     Subject: Affirmative action has failed
Anonymous wrote:PP I think that's kind of a minor detail. I don't think you're going to see a huge number of AA and Hispanic students even applying to the top schools because for many the type of education they've received up to high school would not make them competitive in the first place.

The really sad data point was some of the data from state flagship schools, especially in states that have a significant AA population. I don't understand what is going on there.

We really need minority populations to go to college and graduate because otherwise we are writing off the portion of our population that needs to be working and productive to keep our country going. I am somewhat concerned about this as a 50 year old and I think we sometimes miss the forest for the trees in this discussion.



I think it's a different problem than college admissions though. It's a high school problem.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 11:09     Subject: Affirmative action has failed
Anonymous wrote:I'm really surprised with the data from the Ivy League. Harvard 2020 I believe is 15% black.

I would struggle to think any time at Harvard when the black concentration was that high.



Incorrect. It was 11.4%.
http://features.thecrimson.com/2016/freshman-survey/makeup/

Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 11:09     Subject: Affirmative action has failed
But women are strongly represented now so arguments for failure seem to disregard that.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 11:07     Subject: Affirmative action has failed
Sorry I'm my phone and have a case of fat fingers - apologies
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 10:58     Subject: Affirmative action has failed
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would be interested to see enrollment trends for Jewish students and Italian-American students


How would you find that? Both are white and not tracked.


You are naive if internally this data isn't tracked
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 10:57     Subject: Affirmative action has failed
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would be interested to see enrollment trends for Jewish students and Italian-American students


Why those 2 population groups?


Because both are considered bluntly white but have two completely different academic profiles.

This article seems to build a case into potentially let's bash asians so I wanted to see data on a group (Jewish kids) that is just as smart if not smarter statistically. Curious about the trends and concentration.

As for Italian-Americans, I use them as a place older for white-ethnics and I am curious how enrollment has shifted. If it has dropped or stayed the same.

Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 10:56     Subject: Affirmative action has failed
The whole idea is so "un-american." Let kids compete. Let the best win.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 10:54     Subject: Affirmative action has failed
Anonymous wrote:I would be interested to see enrollment trends for Jewish students and Italian-American students


How would you find that? Both are white and not tracked.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 10:49     Subject: Affirmative action has failed
Anonymous wrote:I would be interested to see enrollment trends for Jewish students and Italian-American students


Why those 2 population groups?
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 10:47     Subject: Affirmative action has failed
I'm really surprised with the data from the Ivy League. Harvard 2020 I believe is 15% black.

I would struggle to think any time at Harvard when the black concentration was that high.

Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 10:44     Subject: Affirmative action has failed
I would be interested to see enrollment trends for Jewish students and Italian-American students
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 10:41     Subject: Affirmative action has failed
PP I think that's kind of a minor detail. I don't think you're going to see a huge number of AA and Hispanic students even applying to the top schools because for many the type of education they've received up to high school would not make them competitive in the first place.

The really sad data point was some of the data from state flagship schools, especially in states that have a significant AA population. I don't understand what is going on there.

We really need minority populations to go to college and graduate because otherwise we are writing off the portion of our population that needs to be working and productive to keep our country going. I am somewhat concerned about this as a 50 year old and I think we sometimes miss the forest for the trees in this discussion.

Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 10:27     Subject: Re:Affirmative action has failed
I am not an expert researcher. But the article is missing some data that I want. The article is using college age population for each group as the base. I don't want that to be the only information I'm given. I would like to know what percent of the total population base of each group has even applied to college at all. Does that make sense? Maybe the % is the same if you compare it to total number of college applicants rather than total percent of college age kids of each group.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 10:22     Subject: Affirmative action has failed
Here is the link to the article and charts -

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html?mcubz=0

Curious what folks think about these data.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2017 09:16     Subject: Affirmative action has failed
Anyone else see this NYTimes article on how "Blacks and Hispanics are more under-represented now than they were 35 years ago"?

Shocking and shameful and very covered up.