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Anonymous wrote:The non math subjects for honirs sections are NOT the next grade curriculum. They are very slightly less spoonfed versions of the same grade level non-honors class. If your child is average they can handle hon science and social studies and english. If there are special needs ir issues, then consider reg level...but in my child's ms, even special needs kids are mentored thru honors classes if at all possible. This is fcps.

Just because a child has special needs does not mean that they are not intellectually capable of taking Honors or AP classes. These children should be in the Honors or AAP classes.

Isn't that obvious from the PP you are responding to?

Anonymous wrote:The non math subjects for honirs sections are NOT the next grade curriculum. They are very slightly less spoonfed versions of the same grade level non-honors class. If your child is average they can handle hon science and social studies and english. If there are special needs ir issues, then consider reg level...but in my child's ms, even special needs kids are mentored thru honors classes if at all possible. This is fcps.

Just because a child has special needs does not mean that they are not intellectually capable of taking Honors or AP classes. These children should be in the Honors or AAP classes.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of this depends on the child. Only the parents (should) have this answer.
I think accelerating kids above grade level in middle school to kick them up in high schools can be shortsighted. I was a counselor for college undergraduates. Many, and I mean many, kids crash eventually. And it happens at a time of extreme emotional growth, the undergraduate years.

The OP is not talking about taking Honor 7 vs Algebra Honors, she is asking about Regular 7 and 7 Honors. Neither would be considered pushing.

Yes, it is pushing.

No it is not.

Alg hons has some extensions that are from the alg 2 curriculum. My child is only taking reg alg in 8th grade. Math is not her strong suit.

The non math subjects for honirs sections are NOT the next grade curriculum. They are very slightly less spoonfed versions of the same grade level non-honors class. If your child is average they can handle hon science and social studies and english. If there are special needs ir issues, then consider reg level...but in my child's ms, even special needs kids are mentored thru honors classes if at all possible. This is fcps.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of this depends on the child. Only the parents (should) have this answer.
I think accelerating kids above grade level in middle school to kick them up in high schools can be shortsighted. I was a counselor for college undergraduates. Many, and I mean many, kids crash eventually. And it happens at a time of extreme emotional growth, the undergraduate years.

The OP is not talking about taking Honor 7 vs Algebra Honors, she is asking about Regular 7 and 7 Honors. Neither would be considered pushing.

Yes, it is pushing.

Anonymous wrote:All of this depends on the child. Only the parents (should) have this answer.
I think accelerating kids above grade level in middle school to kick them up in high schools can be shortsighted. I was a counselor for college undergraduates. Many, and I mean many, kids crash eventually. And it happens at a time of extreme emotional growth, the undergraduate years.

The OP is not talking about taking Honor 7 vs Algebra Honors, she is asking about Regular 7 and 7 Honors. Neither would be considered pushing.

Is Math 8 essentially pre-algebra in FCPS or a different class? (Regardless if it is Math 7 Honors or Math 8)

To the Loudoun poster-- I did not realize most LCPS students took Algebra in 8th grade. Do most take Calculus in high school or choose not to continue math course work during senior year?

All of this depends on the child. Only the parents (should) have this answer.
I think accelerating kids above grade level in middle school to kick them up in high schools can be shortsighted. I was a counselor for college undergraduates. Many, and I mean many, kids crash eventually. And it happens at a time of extreme emotional growth, the undergraduate years.

Thank you for explaining this. I really wish it were easier for parents to find this type of info out. It's not describe like that in the course directory.

Are all 'Honors' classes actually one grade level up? So I can assume English Honors is English 8?
Is Algebra Honors still just Algebra or do they incorporate higher level math there too?

I guess I'm just not sure what would be best for my child. She's bright, above average but not at the level of AAP kids. I don't know if skipping a grade level in these subjects would be good because I want her to have a strong foundation. I want her in a class that has a good, solid math curriculum that's challenging but not for children that need remedial teaching because that's not what she needs.

Why don't they call math 7 hon -- "math 8"?

Well, I guess it has to do with the plan to have only 7th graders in the math 7 hon course (which is actually math 8). So, they are not mixing kids who are actually 7th graders in with the kids who are actually 8th graders -- even if their math course and math SOL are the same. Perhaps that is to protect the 8th graders from feeling like they are slow b/c they are with 7th graders??? I don't know. Now, for algebra, they do mix the grades -- since most of the algebra kids in MS are 8th graders, they let the accellerated 7th graders take the class with mainly 8th graders.

Not sure how it is handled at the secondary schools where potentially, there could be 10th or 11th or 12th graders trying to get the algebra credit needed to graduate... are they mixed in with the 8th graders taking reg. algebra? I'm not sure. (Note, the 7th graders wouldn't be in the mix with the upper class kids b/c they would certainly be taking Alg HON... which the upper class kids just trying to graduate would not be taking. They would only be trying to pass reg. Alg.). Anyway -- I'm not sure how they mix those kids.

But, in your average MS, 7 Math Hon is going to be only 7th graders and 8th Math is going to be only 8th graders.

OP here, we're in FCPS.

I didn't know Math 7 Honors was Math 8. Why don't they just call it that then? Confusing. My child is pretty good a math but I wouldn't say it's a breeze for her. I either. I think her report card said Level II or III in math but I never got anything stating whether it was Math 7 or not.

Math 7 Hon is, in fact, Math 8.

So, if you took adv. math in 6th grade (which is actually the math 7 curriculum and SOL), you would be ready for Math 7 Hon (which is Math 8) in 7th grade. Complicated, right?

It is o.k. to go from reg. math 6 to Math 7 Hon (which is math 8 SOL). Note that a lot of school districts don't have kids taking math 8 at all. The only ones who take math 8 in Loudoun are those who are considered remedial. They do their accelleration in 6th and 7th grade.... so the majority are taking algebra in either 7th or 8th grade -- but even for those taking algebra in 8th grade, they are taking the math 7 SOL in 7th grade (not the math 8 SOL).

Fcps has a different strategy. But, I do know of kids who went from reg. math 6 to math 7 hon and did just fine on the math 8 sol.... and now moving to alg. hon for 8th grade.

What school?

For Key Middle, I was told that a student who took advanced math in 6th grade and passed the 7th grade math SOL should take Math 7 Honors unless they qualify for Algebra I based on test scores.

Is this the standard? My kid's middle school is saying that unless the child took Math 7 in 6th grade then they don't recommend Math 7 Honors in 7th.

That doesn't make any sense to me, why take 7th grade math twice?