Anonymous wrote:How do you "know" this?

DP, but I heard about this from my kid-- who is a freshman. It was all over the school. I did not hear all the details of how the neurobio ring worked, but I did hear that the kids were let off with a warning. Until TJ starts flunking and expelling cheaters, this will never get better. And no-- I don't think I'll return my kid to his base school. Thanks anyway. Like a lot of parents, I will have my kid stay put and fight hard to have the new administration come down on cheaters hard and make cheating so painful that the kids, and the teachers and parents who enable it, cut it out or leave. They are the ones ruining the school. Not my kid.

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Anonymous wrote:PP the prior case is unique - frankly as unique as if you google and find the TJ student who was admitted to all 8 ivies plus Stanford and MIT. Shame on you for taking the admitted struggles of a young girl and her family - which her father ultimately publicly spoke about as being a matter of personal family concern about the daughter's well being - to use that as part of your vendetta against TJ and to claim all TJ students are like that. Just false -- and you only display your ignorance by claiming its true.

If your kid is at TJ and is as unhappy as you are with TJ, there are other options ... base school, private school, home school, early admission to college, etc.

If you aren't part of the TJ community, come see it some time - go to an Open event, come to a concert or play, go to a sporting event, run or walk in one of the relays. They have many events open to the public and the number will increase now that construction is complete. I am sure you will find that the school community is very different from how you seek to portray it here, for whatever reason.

You could say every case is "unique."

+100. All the memebers of the cheating ring should be given F grade and all teachers there need to be informed of it,

Yep, especially if their cheating ways affect the honest, hard-working students.

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Anonymous wrote:PP the prior case is unique - frankly as unique as if you google and find the TJ student who was admitted to all 8 ivies plus Stanford and MIT. Shame on you for taking the admitted struggles of a young girl and her family - which her father ultimately publicly spoke about as being a matter of personal family concern about the daughter's well being - to use that as part of your vendetta against TJ and to claim all TJ students are like that. Just false -- and you only display your ignorance by claiming its true.

If your kid is at TJ and is as unhappy as you are with TJ, there are other options ... base school, private school, home school, early admission to college, etc.

If you aren't part of the TJ community, come see it some time - go to an Open event, come to a concert or play, go to a sporting event, run or walk in one of the relays. They have many events open to the public and the number will increase now that construction is complete. I am sure you will find that the school community is very different from how you seek to portray it here, for whatever reason.

You could say every case is "unique."

+100. All the memebers of the cheating ring should be given F grade and all teachers there need to be informed of it,

Anonymous wrote:PP the prior case is unique - frankly as unique as if you google and find the TJ student who was admitted to all 8 ivies plus Stanford and MIT. Shame on you for taking the admitted struggles of a young girl and her family - which her father ultimately publicly spoke about as being a matter of personal family concern about the daughter's well being - to use that as part of your vendetta against TJ and to claim all TJ students are like that. Just false -- and you only display your ignorance by claiming its true.

If your kid is at TJ and is as unhappy as you are with TJ, there are other options ... base school, private school, home school, early admission to college, etc.

If you aren't part of the TJ community, come see it some time - go to an Open event, come to a concert or play, go to a sporting event, run or walk in one of the relays. They have many events open to the public and the number will increase now that construction is complete. I am sure you will find that the school community is very different from how you seek to portray it here, for whatever reason.

You could say every case is "unique."

Anonymous wrote:PP the prior case is unique - frankly as unique as if you google and find the TJ student who was admitted to all 8 ivies plus Stanford and MIT. Shame on you for taking the admitted struggles of a young girl and her family - which her father ultimately publicly spoke about as being a matter of personal family concern about the daughter's well being - to use that as part of your vendetta against TJ and to claim all TJ students are like that. Just false -- and you only display your ignorance by claiming its true.

If your kid is at TJ and is as unhappy as you are with TJ, there are other options ... base school, private school, home school, early admission to college, etc.

If you aren't part of the TJ community, come see it some time - go to an Open event, come to a concert or play, go to a sporting event, run or walk in one of the relays. They have many events open to the public and the number will increase now that construction is complete. I am sure you will find that the school community is very different from how you seek to portray it here, for whatever reason.

I agree. She sounds ignorant by saying they're all cheaters and lies. It's like saying the White House has always been full of crazies because x has been in it (take your pick - Clinton or Trump - whomever you don't like).

Anonymous wrote:PP the prior case is unique - frankly as unique as if you google and find the TJ student who was admitted to all 8 ivies plus Stanford and MIT. Shame on you for taking the admitted struggles of a young girl and her family - which her father ultimately publicly spoke about as being a matter of personal family concern about the daughter's well being - to use that as part of your vendetta against TJ and to claim all TJ students are like that. Just false -- and you only display your ignorance by claiming its true.

If your kid is at TJ and is as unhappy as you are with TJ, there are other options ... base school, private school, home school, early admission to college, etc.

If you aren't part of the TJ community, come see it some time - go to an Open event, come to a concert or play, go to a sporting event, run or walk in one of the relays. They have many events open to the public and the number will increase now that construction is complete. I am sure you will find that the school community is very different from how you seek to portray it here, for whatever reason.

I think it was unique because of the magnitude and scope of her lies. Not the lies itself.

PP the prior case is unique - frankly as unique as if you google and find the TJ student who was admitted to all 8 ivies plus Stanford and MIT. Shame on you for taking the admitted struggles of a young girl and her family - which her father ultimately publicly spoke about as being a matter of personal family concern about the daughter's well being - to use that as part of your vendetta against TJ and to claim all TJ students are like that. Just false -- and you only display your ignorance by claiming its true.

If your kid is at TJ and is as unhappy as you are with TJ, there are other options ... base school, private school, home school, early admission to college, etc.

If you aren't part of the TJ community, come see it some time - go to an Open event, come to a concert or play, go to a sporting event, run or walk in one of the relays. They have many events open to the public and the number will increase now that construction is complete. I am sure you will find that the school community is very different from how you seek to portray it here, for whatever reason.

Full of cheaters and liers at TJ. This is nothing new. Google Sara Kim case. Very typical of TJ culture.

Anonymous wrote:And - case in Point – this issue was discovered, reported, and addressed. As for disclosure, that is an issue of federal and state law and regulation. The school does not control those rules.

This is how I feel. This happens at schools. Move on.

Anonymous wrote:The Neurobio cheaters:

Hugh cheating scandal earlier this year (fall 2016-winter 2017) in the neurobiology class.

The teacher who does not teach anyway gave freedom to students to come out with test questions for others. The cheaters formed a ring. The ring gave easy questions to each other and tough questions to others. Soon the teacher and the ring managed to pit class students one against other!

Eventually, the ring was reported by other students. Ring members in that class were only given a warning/violation. As per TJ policy, colleges will not be informed of the cheating by these students in this class. Many of the ring members have high GPA and are gunning for ivy-league admissions. I know some of the families whose kids were in the ring. One family is so ivy-league crazy and aggressive that they are encouraging this type of behavior from their kid. Sadly, one has to wonder how this will end up down the road.

The administration sucks and so are some teachers. These two along with cheaters have created a pressure environment for others.

The administration and many of the teachers do not really care about the students. “Swamp the Drain” is truly needed but unlikely to happen any time soon.

Keep in mind that there are plenty of TJ students who are not cheaters. They study hard and want to learn the right way. They are victims or spectators or ignorant in these cheating situations.

Not trying to defend the cheaters, but that neurobio teacher should be reprimanded or even let go. How can a teacher not notice the easy vs hard questions? Which teachers in their right mind would let students come up with test questions for others? That is the epitome of stupidity and laziness. It is one thing to let students make up some questions and incorporate some randomly in a test, but letting students choose which questions to give to whom will inevitably lead to this kind of allegiance among students.

For us, one of TJ's main draw was the faculty who are supposed to be expert in their field. DD will be entering this fall, and if her teachers are acting this way, I will be fast to pull her out. There is no need for her to deal with lazy teachers who just don't care about leveling the playing field.

And - case in Point – this issue was discovered, reported, and addressed. As for disclosure, that is an issue of federal and state law and regulation. The school does not control those rules.

Anonymous wrote:How do you "know" this?

Probably bc OP talks to their kid. This is identical to the story I heard from my TJ attending kid. We continued our on-going dialogue about what it means to cheat and that cheating is unacceptable.

How do you "know" this?

why should we care?

The Neurobio cheaters:

Hugh cheating scandal earlier this year (fall 2016-winter 2017) in the neurobiology class. The teacher who does not teach anyway gave freedom to students to come out with test questions for others. The cheaters formed a ring. The ring gave easy questions to each other and tough questions to others. Soon the teacher and the ring managed to pit class students one against other!

Eventually, the ring was reported by other students. Ring members in that class were only given a warning/violation. As per TJ policy, colleges will not be informed of the cheating by these students in this class. Many of the ring members have high GPA and are gunning for ivy-league admissions. I know some of the families whose kids were in the ring. One family is so ivy-league crazy and aggressive that they are encouraging this type of behavior from their kid. Sadly, one has to wonder how this will end up down the road.

The administration sucks and so are some teachers. These two along with cheaters have created a pressure environment for others.

The administration and many of the teachers do not really care about the students. “Swamp the Drain” is truly needed but unlikely to happen any time soon.

Keep in mind that there are plenty of TJ students who are not cheaters. They study hard and want to learn the right way. They are victims or spectators or ignorant in these cheating situations.