Anonymous
04/11/2017 15:23
Subject: The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
The DCPCSB factors growth into the tier ratings.
You can find it for each school but have to look at every individual report. http://www.dcpcsb.org/report/school-quality-reports-pmf
The new ESSA will force DCPS to disclose it as well.
You can find it for each school but have to look at every individual report. http://www.dcpcsb.org/report/school-quality-reports-pmf
The new ESSA will force DCPS to disclose it as well.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 15:16
Subject: Re:The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
From the data, it would seem that as a school raises in profile and its waitlist increases in size, that waitlist would have a greater percent of higher SES students. The result is that the percent disadvantaged will continue to decrease year-by-year for that school.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 15:16
Subject: The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many different spins do we have to put on it?! We were looking for the "best schools" and the "best schools" in our mind were the ones with the best scores. Best scores come with high SES families and the areas of high rent or mortgage.
My kids is one of the economically disadvantage students, but I got him into best possible school my budget allowed. And I do recognize that it's not do doable for most. Studios here rent for more than many people make and they have a 2-person occupancy limit.
At our bigger condo, neighbor tried to get us evicted because he have 3 people living in (huge) 1-bedroom and according to him it's too many per some old bylaws. Would've never happened in low income housing /area.
So there is some self-segregating, but there's also plenty of outside help. So the segregation continues.
I've helped 3 of my friends into good schools once I got into one. One got into Ross off the waitlist, one into Stoddert and one is moving to Oyster.
Why aren't the "best schools" the ones that can grow your kid the most? That's not necessarily the ones with the best scores. Some of the best scoring schools do a fantastic job on student growth and others are nothing special. There are also schools that have moderate scores but show consistently above average growth.
Why don't you pull the growth scores and show us the top 10 elementaries?
OSSE hasn't released median growth percentiles for PARCC yet--hopefully they will at some point. Here are the top 10 elementaries by MGP from the DC-CAS, from https://ggwash.org/view/31322/heres-the-dc-school-ranking-you-should-be-looking-at . To anticipate questions, it is not true that it's somehow harder for schools with a high number of proficient kids to get a high MGP. That's not how MGP works.
MATH:
Achievement Prep
Ross ES
KIPP DC: KEY
Center City - Brightwood
Hope Community - Lamond
Eaton ES
Hyde-Addison ES
Stanton ES
Stoddert ES
Bancroft ES
READING:
Hyde-Addison ES
Murch ES
Janney ES
Key ES
Eaton ES
Oyster-Adams Bilingual EC
KIPP DC: KEY
Two Rivers - Elementary
Lafayette ES
Hendley ES
Anonymous
04/11/2017 15:13
Subject: The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
Demand tied to quality is effectively demand for high-achieving peers, which is demand for high achieving parent cohorts.
The overall point here needs to be clear, because it is so obvious that people miss it and start doing things like starting charter schools.
Your children of high-achieving you will also be high-achieving, and their schools will be high-achieving because of what they bring in. Trust that the highly effective Janney K teacher would not work magic if swapped with a Drew K teacher. It's you, mom and dad, not them. Teaching isn't magic. At least not the American version.
And the same principle applies to your east of Rock Creek Park DCPS. Quality teaching for your high achiever does not require surrounding them uniformly with high achievers. Your child will be magical whether or not they have a fat slice on your DCPS' Demographic Pie Chart of Comfort.
The overall point here needs to be clear, because it is so obvious that people miss it and start doing things like starting charter schools.
Your children of high-achieving you will also be high-achieving, and their schools will be high-achieving because of what they bring in. Trust that the highly effective Janney K teacher would not work magic if swapped with a Drew K teacher. It's you, mom and dad, not them. Teaching isn't magic. At least not the American version.
And the same principle applies to your east of Rock Creek Park DCPS. Quality teaching for your high achiever does not require surrounding them uniformly with high achievers. Your child will be magical whether or not they have a fat slice on your DCPS' Demographic Pie Chart of Comfort.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 15:08
Subject: The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many different spins do we have to put on it?! We were looking for the "best schools" and the "best schools" in our mind were the ones with the best scores. Best scores come with high SES families and the areas of high rent or mortgage.
My kids is one of the economically disadvantage students, but I got him into best possible school my budget allowed. And I do recognize that it's not do doable for most. Studios here rent for more than many people make and they have a 2-person occupancy limit.
At our bigger condo, neighbor tried to get us evicted because he have 3 people living in (huge) 1-bedroom and according to him it's too many per some old bylaws. Would've never happened in low income housing /area.
So there is some self-segregating, but there's also plenty of outside help. So the segregation continues.
I've helped 3 of my friends into good schools once I got into one. One got into Ross off the waitlist, one into Stoddert and one is moving to Oyster.
Why aren't the "best schools" the ones that can grow your kid the most? That's not necessarily the ones with the best scores. Some of the best scoring schools do a fantastic job on student growth and others are nothing special. There are also schools that have moderate scores but show consistently above average growth.
Why don't you pull the growth scores and show us the top 10 elementaries?
Last time I looked I had to pull it individually from each school on the DCPS profiles page and charter PMF reports. It's not easy, although it should be.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 15:07
Subject: The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
MAGIC!
Anonymous
04/11/2017 15:05
Subject: The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many different spins do we have to put on it?! We were looking for the "best schools" and the "best schools" in our mind were the ones with the best scores. Best scores come with high SES families and the areas of high rent or mortgage.
My kids is one of the economically disadvantage students, but I got him into best possible school my budget allowed. And I do recognize that it's not do doable for most. Studios here rent for more than many people make and they have a 2-person occupancy limit.
At our bigger condo, neighbor tried to get us evicted because he have 3 people living in (huge) 1-bedroom and according to him it's too many per some old bylaws. Would've never happened in low income housing /area.
So there is some self-segregating, but there's also plenty of outside help. So the segregation continues.
I've helped 3 of my friends into good schools once I got into one. One got into Ross off the waitlist, one into Stoddert and one is moving to Oyster.
What you are saying is that you've learned what higher SES people know-- how to work the system for the best schools. Bravo!
NP here. I am not sure what you mean with "learning to work the system" and why the tone of disdain. in DC you get a spot in a school if 1) you live in a place that is zoned for the school or 2) you win a spot with the lottery as OOB. there is nothing mysterious about it and nothing people needs to learn to "work the system" and everybody knows this in DC, not just high SES people. the poster above opted to rent an apartment zoned for the presumably good school of his choice and rented a 1 bd because it was what he could afford. I lived in a condo for years and there were several families with 2 kids renting 2 bd apartments (our family included) to be able to send their kids to the good schools in the area. we eventually bought a house, and our apartment was rented to another family with 1 kid, going to the same school.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:46
Subject: The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many different spins do we have to put on it?! We were looking for the "best schools" and the "best schools" in our mind were the ones with the best scores. Best scores come with high SES families and the areas of high rent or mortgage.
My kids is one of the economically disadvantage students, but I got him into best possible school my budget allowed. And I do recognize that it's not do doable for most. Studios here rent for more than many people make and they have a 2-person occupancy limit.
At our bigger condo, neighbor tried to get us evicted because he have 3 people living in (huge) 1-bedroom and according to him it's too many per some old bylaws. Would've never happened in low income housing /area.
So there is some self-segregating, but there's also plenty of outside help. So the segregation continues.
I've helped 3 of my friends into good schools once I got into one. One got into Ross off the waitlist, one into Stoddert and one is moving to Oyster.
Why aren't the "best schools" the ones that can grow your kid the most? That's not necessarily the ones with the best scores. Some of the best scoring schools do a fantastic job on student growth and others are nothing special. There are also schools that have moderate scores but show consistently above average growth.
Why don't you pull the growth scores and show us the top 10 elementaries?
Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:45
Subject: The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
Anonymous wrote:How many different spins do we have to put on it?! We were looking for the "best schools" and the "best schools" in our mind were the ones with the best scores. Best scores come with high SES families and the areas of high rent or mortgage.
My kids is one of the economically disadvantage students, but I got him into best possible school my budget allowed. And I do recognize that it's not do doable for most. Studios here rent for more than many people make and they have a 2-person occupancy limit.
At our bigger condo, neighbor tried to get us evicted because he have 3 people living in (huge) 1-bedroom and according to him it's too many per some old bylaws. Would've never happened in low income housing /area.
So there is some self-segregating, but there's also plenty of outside help. So the segregation continues.
I've helped 3 of my friends into good schools once I got into one. One got into Ross off the waitlist, one into Stoddert and one is moving to Oyster.
Why aren't the "best schools" the ones that can grow your kid the most? That's not necessarily the ones with the best scores. Some of the best scoring schools do a fantastic job on student growth and others are nothing special. There are also schools that have moderate scores but show consistently above average growth.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:45
Subject: The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
Anonymous wrote:How many different spins do we have to put on it?! We were looking for the "best schools" and the "best schools" in our mind were the ones with the best scores. Best scores come with high SES families and the areas of high rent or mortgage.
My kids is one of the economically disadvantage students, but I got him into best possible school my budget allowed. And I do recognize that it's not do doable for most. Studios here rent for more than many people make and they have a 2-person occupancy limit.
At our bigger condo, neighbor tried to get us evicted because he have 3 people living in (huge) 1-bedroom and according to him it's too many per some old bylaws. Would've never happened in low income housing /area.
So there is some self-segregating, but there's also plenty of outside help. So the segregation continues.
I've helped 3 of my friends into good schools once I got into one. One got into Ross off the waitlist, one into Stoddert and one is moving to Oyster.
What you are saying is that you've learned what higher SES people know-- how to work the system for the best schools. Bravo!
Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:42
Subject: The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
How many different spins do we have to put on it?! We were looking for the "best schools" and the "best schools" in our mind were the ones with the best scores. Best scores come with high SES families and the areas of high rent or mortgage.
My kids is one of the economically disadvantage students, but I got him into best possible school my budget allowed. And I do recognize that it's not do doable for most. Studios here rent for more than many people make and they have a 2-person occupancy limit.
At our bigger condo, neighbor tried to get us evicted because he have 3 people living in (huge) 1-bedroom and according to him it's too many per some old bylaws. Would've never happened in low income housing /area.
So there is some self-segregating, but there's also plenty of outside help. So the segregation continues.
I've helped 3 of my friends into good schools once I got into one. One got into Ross off the waitlist, one into Stoddert and one is moving to Oyster.
My kids is one of the economically disadvantage students, but I got him into best possible school my budget allowed. And I do recognize that it's not do doable for most. Studios here rent for more than many people make and they have a 2-person occupancy limit.
At our bigger condo, neighbor tried to get us evicted because he have 3 people living in (huge) 1-bedroom and according to him it's too many per some old bylaws. Would've never happened in low income housing /area.
So there is some self-segregating, but there's also plenty of outside help. So the segregation continues.
I've helped 3 of my friends into good schools once I got into one. One got into Ross off the waitlist, one into Stoddert and one is moving to Oyster.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:20
Subject: The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
Observation: water is wet.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:18
Subject: The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
You'd find the same thing at the Ward 3 DCPS schools.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:17
Subject: The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
I think you have it backwards.
The lower the percentage of disadvantaged students, the higher the demand.
The lower the percentage of disadvantaged students, the higher the demand.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:15
Subject: The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.
Observation:
When cross-referencing the 2017-18 Waitlist Data for PK3 http://www.dcpcsb.org/evaluating/waitlist-data with the DCPCSB Equity Reports, high demand strongly correlates with lower percent of economically disadvantaged student populations.
For the 9 schools with waitlists between 200-500 for PK3, the average percent of economically disadvantaged is 38%. [Would be closer to 32% without DC Bilingual's 83% number factored]
For the 6 schools with waitlists between 100-200, the average disadvantaged is 54.35%.
For the 4 schools with between 50-100, the average disadvantaged is 86%.
A random sample of 10 of the remaining 95 charters, the average disadvantaged population is 90%.