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Anonymous wrote:14:10 again. TJ is a great school, but you diminish it when you exaggerate its successes so blatantly.

Not so blatant:

Class of 2016

Harvard about 5 or 6
Dartmouth about 9 or 10
Stanford about 9 or 10
Brown 12
Princeton 12
Columbia 12
Georgetown 13
Yale 13
UPenn 13
MIT 15
Duke 17
U of Chicago 18
Cornell University 29
UC Berkeley 35
University of Michigan 61
William & Mary 173
UVA 224

1. Those are all acceptances, not where the graduates are actually going to college. As a result, there is a lot of double counting in there. If one smart TJ student is admitted to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford, then she is listed 4 times in your numbers.

2. Those numbers do not provide an apples-to-apples comparison with any private school numbers we have. For STA for example, the numbers I posted are just for the colleges where its graduates actually attended, so there is no double counting in STA's matriculation numbers. Comparing TJ acceptances to STA matriculations doesn't make much sense.

3. Thankfully, we have actual TJ matriculation numbers, so we can see exactly how many students went to each school. Those are the TJ matriculation numbers I posted above. To save you the trouble, here are the details: Harvard (6 attending), Yale (7), Princeton (6), Stanford (7). Great results, but very different from mere acceptances. https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2016

I hope that helps provide factual context for our discussion.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:14:10 again. TJ is a great school, but you diminish it when you exaggerate its successes so blatantly.

Not so blatant:

Class of 2016

Harvard about 5 or 6
Dartmouth about 9 or 10
Stanford about 9 or 10
Brown 12
Princeton 12
Columbia 12
Georgetown 13
Yale 13
UPenn 13
MIT 15
Duke 17
U of Chicago 18
Cornell University 29
UC Berkeley 35
University of Michigan 61
William & Mary 173
UVA 224

that one is quite impressive. Brainy people at U Chicago.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thomas Jefferson and Montgomery Blair magnet

IF you are in the top of your class

a) that statement is true pretty much for any high achieving school.
b) TJ (don't know Blair Magnet - I live in VA) sends the most kids (by % of class and in absolute terms) top HYPS than any school in the DC area.

I feel like the same TJ booster makes this same false claim every six months, so I now know just where to get the data to correct it.

2016 graduating class info, all available online:
TJ had 457 graduates total. 26 students destined for Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford (5.7% of the class).
STA had roughly 80 (?) grads total. 9.8 students (5 yr average) destined for Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford (12.25% of the class).

I assume other strong independent schools in DC, such as Sidwell, GDS, or Maret, which all keep their college results private, had similar results.

No doubt that TJ is a great school. No doubt also that TJ's large class, which is 4-5 times bigger than any private school, yields huge raw numbers of students going to top colleges. But to claim that it's more on a percentage basis is just false. Maybe if we had college results for Sidwell, STA, NCS, GDS, and Maret, that might be a combined class as big as TJ, and we could compare their combined college results with TJ. Or if you had college results for the Blair magnet (100 grads), you could multiply them by 4.5 to compare.

Above figures regarding TJ appears incorrect. The numbers from class of 2016:

College Apply Accept

1. Harvard is not listed since 10 or fewer were accepted but typically on average 6 are accepted (typically 4 to 7).
2. Yale University 83 13
3. Princeton University 128 12
4. Stanford University is not listed since 10 or fewer were accepted but typically on average 10 are accepted (typically 9 to 12).

Yale + Princeton = 25. HYPS = about 41 acceptances. HYPSM = about 56 acceptances.

Acceptances to MIT was (Massachusetts Institute of Technology 126 applied 15 accepted). So, HYPSM results would be the best or one of the best in the area.



https://fcps.tjhsst.edu/coursemgmt/media/300/resource/TJ%20Profile%202016-17%20online.pdf

All great schools. However to keep the argument real, doesn't TJ have many more students? I think the only way to make it fair is to do a percentage of its students that are going and then you can compare the schools. STA only has 80 kids in a graduating class, Sidwell has 130? So I think to make comparisons fair you should do a percentage of its graduating class rather than actual numbers. Same with NCS - also has graduating class of only maybe 85. I by no means saying TJ is not a great school. It clearly is.

Anonymous wrote:14:10 again. TJ is a great school, but you diminish it when you exaggerate its successes so blatantly.

Not so blatant:

Class of 2016

Harvard about 5 or 6
Dartmouth about 9 or 10
Stanford about 9 or 10
Brown 12
Princeton 12
Columbia 12
Georgetown 13
Yale 13
UPenn 13
MIT 15
Duke 17
U of Chicago 18
Cornell University 29
UC Berkeley 35
University of Michigan 61
William & Mary 173
UVA 224

Well we are gladly paying for private and have no need or want for my daughter to go to an Ivy.

You are failing your child if that is the goal for them. They will always disappoint you. SAD!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thomas Jefferson and Montgomery Blair magnet

IF you are in the top of your class

a) that statement is true pretty much for any high achieving school.
b) TJ (don't know Blair Magnet - I live in VA) sends the most kids (by % of class and in absolute terms) top HYPS than any school in the DC area.

I feel like the same TJ booster makes this same false claim every six months, so I now know just where to get the data to correct it.

2016 graduating class info, all available online:
TJ had 457 graduates total. 26 students destined for Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford (5.7% of the class).
STA had roughly 80 (?) grads total. 9.8 students (5 yr average) destined for Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford (12.25% of the class).

I assume other strong independent schools in DC, such as Sidwell, GDS, or Maret, which all keep their college results private, had similar results.

No doubt that TJ is a great school. No doubt also that TJ's large class, which is 4-5 times bigger than any private school, yields huge raw numbers of students going to top colleges. But to claim that it's more on a percentage basis is just false. Maybe if we had college results for Sidwell, STA, NCS, GDS, and Maret, that might be a combined class as big as TJ, and we could compare their combined college results with TJ. Or if you had college results for the Blair magnet (100 grads), you could multiply them by 4.5 to compare.

Above figures regarding TJ appears incorrect. The numbers from class of 2016:

College Apply Accept

1. Harvard is not listed since 10 or fewer were accepted but typically on average 6 are accepted (typically 4 to 7).
2. Yale University 83 13
3. Princeton University 128 12
4. Stanford University is not listed since 10 or fewer were accepted but typically on average 10 are accepted (typically 9 to 12).

Yale + Princeton = 25. HYPS = about 41 acceptances. HYPSM = about 56 acceptances.

Acceptances to MIT was (Massachusetts Institute of Technology 126 applied 15 accepted). So, HYPSM results would be the best or one of the best in the area.



https://fcps.tjhsst.edu/coursemgmt/media/300/resource/TJ%20Profile%202016-17%20online.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thomas Jefferson and Montgomery Blair magnet

IF you are in the top of your class

a) that statement is true pretty much for any high achieving school.
b) TJ (don't know Blair Magnet - I live in VA) sends the most kids (by % of class and in absolute terms) top HYPS than any school in the DC area.

I feel like the same TJ booster makes this same false claim every six months, so I now know just where to get the data to correct it.

2016 graduating class info, all available online:
TJ had 457 graduates total. 26 students destined for Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford ([b]5.7% of the class).
STA had roughly 80 (?) grads total. 9.8 students (5 yr average) destined for Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford (12.25% of the class).
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I assume other strong independent schools in DC, such as Sidwell, GDS, or Maret, which all keep their college results private, had similar results.

No doubt that TJ is a great school. No doubt also that TJ's large class, which is 4-5 times bigger than any private school, yields huge raw numbers of students going to top colleges. But to claim that it's more on a percentage basis is just false. Maybe if we had college results for Sidwell, STA, NCS, GDS, and Maret, that might be a combined class as big as TJ, and we could compare their combined college results with TJ. Or if you had college results for the Blair magnet (100 grads), you could multiply them by 4.5 to compare.

yeah, but you left out MIT -- TJ usually gets more kids into MIT than any other single high school. It is a STEM school after all.

Anonymous wrote:I have heard GDS and Sidwell only. Anyone know otherwise?

I'm not sure whether this question is serious. If it is...

The idea that a school's placement history at "name schools" (or SAT scores) will necessarily rub off on any specific student is folly. There is a case to be made in the opposite direction, in fact — namely, that if your child is one of three applying to Penn, and she's worked her way through a gritty high school, she'll have a better shot getting in than if she's one of 30 at a posh independent school.

My wife has an undergraduate Ivy degree, and I have one from graduate school. We both believe that our non-Ivy experiences were far superior on almost measure one would apply.

I'd suggest considering a college that fits your child when that time arrives, rather than the other way around. The odds of getting into one of those colleges, cumulatively, is less than one in 10. Why set a child up for failure based on parent dreams?

COLLEGE IS NOT THE END GAME.

Peter
_____________________

Disclaimer: The anonymity here makes me uncomfortable; it's easy to be uninformed, personal, or simply mean-spirited if people don't identify themselves. For that reason, I have an account so you know whose words you're reading. I have more than 20 years' experience as a teacher and administrator in independent schools, and I have counseled hundreds of students in finding their next schools. I hope I can be helpful to some folks. If you don't like something I've said, you're in good company — there's a long line of past students and parents ahead of you. If you want to chat further, please feel free to contact me offline: peter <at> arcpd <dot> com

14:10 again. TJ is a great school, but you diminish it when you exaggerate its successes so blatantly.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thomas Jefferson and Montgomery Blair magnet

IF you are in the top of your class

a) that statement is true pretty much for any high achieving school.
b) TJ (don't know Blair Magnet - I live in VA) sends the most kids (by % of class and in absolute terms) top HYPS than any school in the DC area.

I feel like the same TJ booster makes this same false claim every six months, so I now know just where to get the data to correct it.

2016 graduating class info, all available online:
TJ had 457 graduates total. 26 students destined for Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford (5.7% of the class).
STA had roughly 80 (?) grads total. 9.8 students (5 yr average) destined for Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford (12.25% of the class).

I assume other strong independent schools in DC, such as Sidwell, GDS, or Maret, which all keep their college results private, had similar results.

No doubt that TJ is a great school. No doubt also that TJ's large class, which is 4-5 times bigger than any private school, yields huge raw numbers of students going to top colleges. But to claim that it's more on a percentage basis is just false. Maybe if we had college results for Sidwell, STA, NCS, GDS, and Maret, that might be a combined class as big as TJ, and we could compare their combined college results with TJ. Or if you had college results for the Blair magnet (100 grads), you could multiply them by 4.5 to compare.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thomas Jefferson and Montgomery Blair magnet

IF you are in the top of your class

a) that statement is true pretty much for any high achieving school.
b) TJ (don't know Blair Magnet - I live in VA) sends the most kids (by % of class and in absolute terms) top HYPS than any school in the DC area.

I would add STA/NCS to the list as well for sure

Anonymous wrote:Thomas Jefferson and Montgomery Blair magnet

IF you are in the top of your class

Thomas Jefferson and Montgomery Blair magnet

I have heard GDS and Sidwell only. Anyone know otherwise?