Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 14:58     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
Anonymous wrote:The end game is more prosperity and freedom for everyone, rich and poor.


1) increase federal spending
2) decrease taxes
3)?????
4) Profit
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 14:50     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
Anonymous wrote:So I think the answer to OP is yes, a dystopic society where the top 1% live in luxury while the rest live in poverty and cater to their needs.



I am in the top 3 percent. How will I do?
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 14:47     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
The end game is more prosperity and freedom for everyone, rich and poor.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 14:09     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
Anonymous wrote:So I think the answer to OP is yes, a dystopic society where the top 1% live in luxury while the rest live in poverty and cater to their needs.



That already exists. It's called the wealthiest suburbs.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 14:05     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
Articulating known consequences of GOP policies is not "fearmongering."

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/10/16/without-social-security-income-a-majority-of-u-s-seniors-would-be-poor/
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 14:04     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'd seriously like to understand the end game to all of this "dismantle the government" ideology that started in earnest with Reagan in the post-Nixon years and has now reached it's logical zenith under Trump.

What will happen when tax revenues are fraction of what we need to maintain the military, infrastructure, and the Boomers begin dying in poverty in mass due to the dismantling of Social Security & Medicare?

I'd love to understand what Republicans want our country to look like once they enact all these policies. What is your vision? Is the point to weaken our country to the point that Constitutional changes are rammed through that fundamentally end "one person, one vote" electoral politics? Perhaps the installation of some sort of hereditary-based political structure?

Will we be able to defend ourselves from foreign invaders with a society that is physically unhealthy/aging, in prison, and with crumbling infrastructure?

I feel like a lot of my Republican friends and Trump can say what they want to do to dismantle government....but have they contemplated what will exist in the aftermath?


First I'm ignoring the whole people are going to starve/die crap that's fear mongering

Fed government will do what the constitution actually says mainly Defense/National Security type stuff

Rest of the money will go to the states and each state will decide what they want to do... That's the end game

Read some of the stuff Paul Ryan has put out it's all out there




So, the Constitution is a little broader than "defense/national security type stuff" - it includes promoting the "general welfare". "...in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America..."

Unfortunately, I don't think there is a vision of what the US would actually look like.




Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 14:00     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'd seriously like to understand the end game to all of this "dismantle the government" ideology that started in earnest with Reagan in the post-Nixon years and has now reached it's logical zenith under Trump.

What will happen when tax revenues are fraction of what we need to maintain the military, infrastructure, and the Boomers begin dying in poverty in mass due to the dismantling of Social Security & Medicare?

I'd love to understand what Republicans want our country to look like once they enact all these policies. What is your vision? Is the point to weaken our country to the point that Constitutional changes are rammed through that fundamentally end "one person, one vote" electoral politics? Perhaps the installation of some sort of hereditary-based political structure?

Will we be able to defend ourselves from foreign invaders with a society that is physically unhealthy/aging, in prison, and with crumbling infrastructure?

I feel like a lot of my Republican friends and Trump can say what they want to do to dismantle government....but have they contemplated what will exist in the aftermath?


First I'm ignoring the whole people are going to starve/die crap that's fear mongering

Fed government will do what the constitution actually says mainly Defense/National Security type stuff

Rest of the money will go to the states and each state will decide what they want to do... That's the end game

Read some of the stuff Paul Ryan has put out it's all out there




What you said is the desired end game by the republicans BUT actual end game is none of the progressive agenda will ever be rolled back because there are millions of beneficiaries from republicans themselves. Thats why no republican president ever has controlled spending when they are in power. They only increase the debt even more by increasing military spending while cutting taxes resulting in double whammy and debt balloons.

There will be more tax cuts for the wealthy and military will have more money to play with. Thats about it. Obamacare will live as trump care. SS,Medicare,Medicaid will not be touched in any significant way.

Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 14:00     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
Anonymous wrote:
First I'm ignoring the whole people are going to starve/die crap that's fear mongering

Fed government will do what the constitution actually says mainly Defense/National Security type stuff

Rest of the money will go to the states and each state will decide what they want to do... That's the end game

Read some of the stuff Paul Ryan has put out it's all out there

Not a Republican, but this is what I would assume they "want" as well. It's consistent with what most of my Republican friends say, though I would also say that none of them think this will happen. They mostly want to scale back government programs, but they do not believe those programs will be completely dismantled.

The trick, though, is what they place in the bucket of "what the constitution actually says". Pretty much no Federal programs are prima facia unconstitutional, or they would have been found to be by now and dismantled already. There seems to be a lot of self-service that goes into what is considered the bare minimum for a government to do. I would imagine most of them like having a national highway system, though I suppose most justify that on the grounds of national security whereas the primary benefit to date has been economic.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 13:56     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'd seriously like to understand the end game to all of this "dismantle the government" ideology that started in earnest with Reagan in the post-Nixon years and has now reached it's logical zenith under Trump.

What will happen when tax revenues are fraction of what we need to maintain the military, infrastructure, and the Boomers begin dying in poverty in mass due to the dismantling of Social Security & Medicare?

I'd love to understand what Republicans want our country to look like once they enact all these policies. What is your vision? Is the point to weaken our country to the point that Constitutional changes are rammed through that fundamentally end "one person, one vote" electoral politics? Perhaps the installation of some sort of hereditary-based political structure?

Will we be able to defend ourselves from foreign invaders with a society that is physically unhealthy/aging, in prison, and with crumbling infrastructure?

I feel like a lot of my Republican friends and Trump can say what they want to do to dismantle government....but have they contemplated what will exist in the aftermath?


First I'm ignoring the whole people are going to starve/die crap that's fear mongering

Fed government will do what the constitution actually says mainly Defense/National Security type stuff

Rest of the money will go to the states and each state will decide what they want to do... That's the end game

Read some of the stuff Paul Ryan has put out it's all out there


See, I think you're willfully ignoring a HUGE outcome of Ryan's policies. What will happen to Americans in old age if you dismantle Social Security and Medicare? You can't ignore that elephant in the room....way too big and affects all of us. Again, you have not articulated an end game. You've told us what you want to do, but what does Tomorrow look like?


First PP needs to brush up on world history and see what happens when the top lives in luxury and the masses don't. Hint: it doesn't end well for the top percenters in the end.

Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 13:54     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'd seriously like to understand the end game to all of this "dismantle the government" ideology that started in earnest with Reagan in the post-Nixon years and has now reached it's logical zenith under Trump.

What will happen when tax revenues are fraction of what we need to maintain the military, infrastructure, and the Boomers begin dying in poverty in mass due to the dismantling of Social Security & Medicare?

I'd love to understand what Republicans want our country to look like once they enact all these policies. What is your vision? Is the point to weaken our country to the point that Constitutional changes are rammed through that fundamentally end "one person, one vote" electoral politics? Perhaps the installation of some sort of hereditary-based political structure?

Will we be able to defend ourselves from foreign invaders with a society that is physically unhealthy/aging, in prison, and with crumbling infrastructure?

I feel like a lot of my Republican friends and Trump can say what they want to do to dismantle government....but have they contemplated what will exist in the aftermath?


First I'm ignoring the whole people are going to starve/die crap that's fear mongering

Fed government will do what the constitution actually says mainly Defense/National Security type stuff

Rest of the money will go to the states and each state will decide what they want to do... That's the end game

Read some of the stuff Paul Ryan has put out it's all out there


See, I think you're willfully ignoring a HUGE outcome of Ryan's policies. What will happen to Americans in old age if you dismantle Social Security and Medicare? You can't ignore that elephant in the room....way too big and affects all of us. Again, you have not articulated an end game. You've told us what you want to do, but what does Tomorrow look like?
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 13:51     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
Anonymous wrote:Read Amity Shlaes on Coolidge.

That is the end goal of most modern R's.

A dismantling of the new deal & great society. Obama is just a footnote - the two issues are the aformentioned programs by FDR and LBJ.


I'm familiar with the work. But again, this does not get to the "end game" of what they want. Those are merely just prescribing policy steps - slash taxes and budgets to the bone.

What happens next after we do that? What kind of society do they envision? I've never heard any Republican espouse their vision of what American will look like after they've achieved those goals. It's always about dismantling government......but never about what happens to American lives the next day.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 13:50     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
Anonymous wrote:I'd seriously like to understand the end game to all of this "dismantle the government" ideology that started in earnest with Reagan in the post-Nixon years and has now reached it's logical zenith under Trump.

What will happen when tax revenues are fraction of what we need to maintain the military, infrastructure, and the Boomers begin dying in poverty in mass due to the dismantling of Social Security & Medicare?

I'd love to understand what Republicans want our country to look like once they enact all these policies. What is your vision? Is the point to weaken our country to the point that Constitutional changes are rammed through that fundamentally end "one person, one vote" electoral politics? Perhaps the installation of some sort of hereditary-based political structure?

Will we be able to defend ourselves from foreign invaders with a society that is physically unhealthy/aging, in prison, and with crumbling infrastructure?

I feel like a lot of my Republican friends and Trump can say what they want to do to dismantle government....but have they contemplated what will exist in the aftermath?


First I'm ignoring the whole people are going to starve/die crap that's fear mongering

Fed government will do what the constitution actually says mainly Defense/National Security type stuff

Rest of the money will go to the states and each state will decide what they want to do... That's the end game

Read some of the stuff Paul Ryan has put out it's all out there


Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 13:48     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
So I think the answer to OP is yes, a dystopic society where the top 1% live in luxury while the rest live in poverty and cater to their needs.

Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 13:46     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
Read Amity Shlaes on Coolidge.

That is the end goal of most modern R's.

A dismantling of the new deal & great society. Obama is just a footnote - the two issues are the aformentioned programs by FDR and LBJ.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2016 13:42     Subject: Republicans: what's the end game?
I'd seriously like to understand the end game to all of this "dismantle the government" ideology that started in earnest with Reagan in the post-Nixon years and has now reached it's logical zenith under Trump.

What will happen when tax revenues are fraction of what we need to maintain the military, infrastructure, and the Boomers begin dying in poverty in mass due to the dismantling of Social Security & Medicare?

I'd love to understand what Republicans want our country to look like once they enact all these policies. What is your vision? Is the point to weaken our country to the point that Constitutional changes are rammed through that fundamentally end "one person, one vote" electoral politics? Perhaps the installation of some sort of hereditary-based political structure?

Will we be able to defend ourselves from foreign invaders with a society that is physically unhealthy/aging, in prison, and with crumbling infrastructure?

I feel like a lot of my Republican friends and Trump can say what they want to do to dismantle government....but have they contemplated what will exist in the aftermath?