I think it might take some liberal outrage actually. The articles clearly explain how this loophole came from good liberal intentions. It then makes an explicit case that the way it's being implemented in 2016 helps neither the criminal youth nor law abiding youth (often the victims) or citizens as a whole. We need to make a case to the liberal Council that they need to start making common sense, not liberal laboratory legislation. Silverman, Grosso, etc. Read the articles, get outraged,contact them. This is our city.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We believe in second chances.

Yea, if you don't kill that mofo the first time...

amiright?

PP here again, I just realized that this is probably an affirmative action effort to help with the efficacy of inner city crime.

Obvi. The Barry legacy lives on.

This city won't clean up until the class (not race) demographics tip further over the line.

There are lots of wealthy people moving into DC, but until they are a large enough force (has to be done at a micro level, which is why DC charters are better than DCPS) they won't be able to change the polluted culture of DC youth.

Anonymous wrote:You want to clean up crime?

Treat then like the children that they are. Make them suffer the consequences of their actions.

If your own children ran around inside of your house acting like murderous assholes what would you do? Tell them that they can have a 3rd or 9th or 15th chance? (If so, that's why your children are murderous assholes.)

Punish them. The sooner you do it, the less severe the punishment has to be and the more effective the rehabilitation can be.

Good luck, DC. Won't hold my breath.

DC=Do Crime.

Anonymous wrote:OP, many of us already knew all of this. It's not new to us.

This

Anonymous wrote:I don't have access to the story. But I can't see why they would call a gun "imitation", unless they did not recover the gun or have evidence that a gun was discharged. In that case, it may have been a way to obtain a guilty plea.

It's just a standard prosecutorial tactic. Prosecutors fear taking cases to trial.

You want to clean up crime?

Treat then like the children that they are. Make them suffer the consequences of their actions.

If your own children ran around inside of your house acting like murderous assholes what would you do? Tell them that they can have a 3rd or 9th or 15th chance? (If so, that's why your children are murderous assholes.)

Punish them. The sooner you do it, the less severe the punishment has to be and the more effective the rehabilitation can be.

Good luck, DC. Won't hold my breath.

I understand its not "new", but some of the details are new and shocking to me including that we are the ONLY city in the country with this policy, including making real guns "disappear" in charging documents and pleas, and including how many high profile recent cases include these kids including a well publicized killing of a transgender woman. The fact that it is not new does not mean it has to be. How can we have such stiff gun laws which many DC residents seem to support despite their legality being challenged in court, and yet tolerate this violence (including many crimes they document with handguns) from our youngest citizens? Something is not adding up.

OP, many of us already knew all of this. It's not new to us.

Anonymous wrote:I don't have access to the story. But I can't see why they would call a gun "imitation", unless they did not recover the gun or have evidence that a gun was discharged. In that case, it may have been a way to obtain a guilty plea.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/second-chance-law-for-young-criminals-puts-violent-offenders-back-on-dc-streets/2016/12/02/fcb56c74-8bc1-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html?utm_term=.696cc4af236f

Here you go. What you say is logical, but no. They are actually changing the way the evidence is written up from gun to iimitation gun to obtain a lesser penalty.

The program for criminals under 22 was written in under Barry during an era of concern over youth incarceration and criminal records that would affect their future. As it is currently materializing in our city, if you are under 22 there is a revolving door to do what you want with a protected record and very light sentences. If you read the articles, youth who graduated from this system to adult crimes for which they are now incarcerated actually seem to blame the system for teaching them zero consequences. Many recent high profile cases such as the violent Capitol Hill rape and the shooting of the AU student by Howard involved youth in this program. I am fascinated that there are ten pages of comments about the comet pizza guy, but not a peep about this loophole that is allowing youth to repeatedly terrorize citizens with guns and other means. This is a very well written expose about a legal approach to youth that is unique in all the nation to our city, that anyone who opposes violence of any sort should want examined

The same place as outrage over Chicago gun crime?

My personal biggest problem with any kind of youth crime in DC is that all the little perps know that they can get away with anything.

It's not only no consequences: it's elevated status for the abortion-that-should-have-happened-but-didn't because mama was probably too high. Now, some little proto-shite has "proven" himself to his "cholos" or "booyees" or "homees" or whatever low-life criminal element that doesn't deserve tax dollars beyond the cost of their eventual and inevitable incarceration, gets a free ride to assault tax-paying citizens.

Lower the age to be tried as an adult in DC.

There are many ways to clean up this city.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We believe in second chances.

Yea, if you don't kill that mofo the first time...

amiright?

PP here again, I just realized that this is probably an affirmative action effort to help with the efficacy of inner city crime.

Anonymous wrote:We believe in second chances.

Yea, if you don't kill that mofo the first time...

amiright?

We believe in second chances.

I don't have access to the story. But I can't see why they would call a gun "imitation", unless they did not recover the gun or have evidence that a gun was discharged. In that case, it may have been a way to obtain a guilty plea.

The Washington Post has now run two days of fairly incredible reporting on the revolving door which is DC sentencing and rehabilitation guidelines for youth under 22, up to and including repeat crimes with guns and in rare instances murder. One of the most striking techniques is for prosecutors to willingly label real guns used to commit crimes (ie being held to peoples heads) as "imitation" to avoid automatic penalties. Law abiding law enforcement trained DC residents are being turned down for concealed carry permits under our city's strict interpretation of gun laws, while these shannanigans are going on? Where are the anti gun people on this? I think its a travesty and I'm for sensible gun laws including sentencing firmly those who use them to victimize.