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Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, this is encouraging. I've been concerned that she's going to drive the US into bankruotcy - ala Greece - with her talk of all the free stuff she's going to hand out, like college educations. Shows she's just making empty promises to entice the Bernie supporters to the polls. (She's good with the lies.)

Clinton never promised free college. That was one of the differences between her and Sanders.

Originally. But now that Sanders is out, she upped the ante in order to get the Bernie supporters to come out for her. She is promising no tuition at public universities for families making under $125k, which is the vast majority. And you notice how she never says the details? Like how she is going to pay for it? (And no, making the rich pay "their fair share" won't begin to cover it.) Plus, if you make tuition free - meaning taxpayers have to pay for it - the tuition will go up even faster. I'm sure you're aware that subsidized goods and services rise in price.

I would support some minor approach to this, though. Students from modest incomes who score in the top 5% in their HS get taxpayer-funded tuition, provided them maintsin a B average in college. I also would be in favor of raising the Pell grant income ceiling somewhat. But other than that, sorry....money doesn't grow on trees, and we are already $20 trillion in debt.

I just posted something similar shortly after you did. Apparently, you and I are the only two who have read her platform.

But as an educator, this section obviously appealed to me.

And no, I'm not a Trump supporter.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, this is encouraging. I've been concerned that she's going to drive the US into bankruotcy - ala Greece - with her talk of all the free stuff she's going to hand out, like college educations. Shows she's just making empty promises to entice the Bernie supporters to the polls. (She's good with the lies.)

Clinton never promised free college. That was one of the differences between her and Sanders.

Originally. But now that Sanders is out, she upped the ante in order to get the Bernie supporters to come out for her. She is promising no tuition at public universities for families making under $125k, which is the vast majority. And you notice how she never says the details? Like how she is going to pay for it? (And no, making the rich pay "their fair share" won't begin to cover it.) Plus, if you make tuition free - meaning taxpayers have to pay for it - the tuition will go up even faster. I'm sure you're aware that subsidized goods and services rise in price.

I would support some minor approach to this, though. Students from modest incomes who score in the top 5% in their HS get taxpayer-funded tuition, provided them maintsin a B average in college. I also would be in favor of raising the Pell grant income ceiling somewhat. But other than that, sorry....money doesn't grow on trees, and we are already $20 trillion in debt.

I just posted something similar shortly after you did. Apparently, you and I are the only two who have read her platform.

But as an educator, this section obviously appealed to me.

And no, I'm not a Trump supporter.

Anonymous wrote:So, this is what Hillary REALLY thinks of the Bernie supporters. And, these are people she is trying to win over.

Hacked audio of a conversation between Hillary Clinton and donors during a February fundraising event shows the Democrat nominee describing Bernie Sanders supporters as "children of the Great Recession" who are "living in their parents’ basement."

"There is a strain of, on the one hand, the kind of populist, nationalist, xenophobic, discriminatory kind of approach that we hear too much of from the Republican candidates," she said. "And on the other side, there’s just a deep desire to believe that we can have free college, free healthcare, that what we’ve done hasn’t gone far enough, and that we just need to, you know, go as far as, you know, Scandinavia, whatever that means, and half the people don’t know what that means, but it’s something that they deeply feel.”

While stressing the need to not serve as a "wet blanket on idealism," Clinton paints fans of the then-surging Vermont senator as political newbies attempting to deal with an economy that has fallen short of their expectations.
"Some are new to politics completely. They’re children of the Great Recession. And they are living in their parents’ basement," she said. "They feel they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they don’t see much of a future."
Clinton added: "If you’re feeling like you’re consigned to, you know, being a barista, or you know, some other job that doesn’t pay a lot, and doesn’t have some other ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe, you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-supporters-audio-leak-228997#ixzz4LpKigYeW
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Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, this is encouraging. I've been concerned that she's going to drive the US into bankruotcy - ala Greece - with her talk of all the free stuff she's going to hand out, like college educations. Shows she's just making empty promises to entice the Bernie supporters to the polls. (She's good with the lies.)

Clinton never promised free college. That was one of the differences between her and Sanders.

Originally. But now that Sanders is out, she upped the ante in order to get the Bernie supporters to come out for her. She is promising no tuition at public universities for families making under $125k, which is the vast majority. And you notice how she never says the details? Like how she is going to pay for it? (And no, making the rich pay "their fair share" won't begin to cover it.) Plus, if you make tuition free - meaning taxpayers have to pay for it - the tuition will go up even faster. I'm sure you're aware that subsidized goods and services rise in price.

I would support some minor approach to this, though. Students from modest incomes who score in the top 5% in their HS get taxpayer-funded tuition, provided them maintsin a B average in college. I also would be in favor of raising the Pell grant income ceiling somewhat. But other than that, sorry....money doesn't grow on trees, and we are already $20 trillion in debt.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, this is encouraging. I've been concerned that she's going to drive the US into bankruotcy - ala Greece - with her talk of all the free stuff she's going to hand out, like college educations. Shows she's just making empty promises to entice the Bernie supporters to the polls. (She's good with the lies.)

Clinton never promised free college. That was one of the differences between her and Sanders.

Every student should have the option to graduate from a public college or university in their state without taking on any student debt. By 2021, families with income up to $125,000 will pay no tuition at in-state four-year public colleges and universities. And from the beginning, every student from a family making $85,000 a year or less will be able to go to an in-state four-year public college or university without paying tuition.

All community colleges will offer free tuition.

Everyone will do their part. States will have to step up and invest in higher education, and colleges and universities will be held accountable for the success of their students and for controlling tuition costs.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, this is encouraging. I've been concerned that she's going to drive the US into bankruotcy - ala Greece - with her talk of all the free stuff she's going to hand out, like college educations. Shows she's just making empty promises to entice the Bernie supporters to the polls. (She's good with the lies.)

Clinton never promised free college. That was one of the differences between her and Sanders.

Anonymous wrote:Actually, this is encouraging. I've been concerned that she's going to drive the US into bankruotcy - ala Greece - with her talk of all the free stuff she's going to hand out, like college educations. Shows she's just making empty promises to entice the Bernie supporters to the polls. (She's good with the lies.)

Hacked audio of a conversation between Hillary Clinton and donors during a February fundraising event shows the Democrat nominee describing Bernie Sanders supporters as "children of the Great Recession" who are "living in their parents’ basement."

"There is a strain of, on the one hand, the kind of populist, nationalist, xenophobic, discriminatory kind of approach that we hear too much of from the Republican candidates," she said. "And on the other side, there’s just a deep desire to believe that we can have free college, free healthcare, that what we’ve done hasn’t gone far enough, and that we just need to, you know, go as far as, you know, Scandinavia, whatever that means, and half the people don’t know what that means, but it’s something that they deeply feel.”

While stressing the need to not serve as a "wet blanket on idealism," Clinton paints fans of the then-surging Vermont senator as political newbies attempting to deal with an economy that has fallen short of their expectations.
"Some are new to politics completely. They’re children of the Great Recession. And they are living in their parents’ basement," she said. "They feel they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they don’t see much of a future."
Clinton added: "If you’re feeling like you’re consigned to, you know, being a barista, or you know, some other job that doesn’t pay a lot, and doesn’t have some other ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe, you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing."