Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before Mandela became a saint he actually was someone who plotted violent actions against the SA government and a Marxist.

You can't be serious!

It's a well know fact. Mandela was a quasi-terrorist before he became a saint. Which is why his life is so inspiring.

Reagan said:

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." That's a catchy phrase, but also misleading. Freedom fighters do not need to terrorize a population into submission. Freedom fighters target the military forces and the organized instruments of repression keeping dictatorial regimes in power.

Yet when it came to the Contras, Reagan and his administration saw no problem backing them against the Sandinistas despite the former indulging in attacks against the population at large.

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-03-08/news/mn-32283_1_contras

So leaders tend to be selective in their condemnation against terrorism. "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" is more than just a catchy phrase!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before Mandela became a saint he actually was someone who plotted violent actions against the SA government and a Marxist.

You can't be serious!

It's a well know fact. Mandela was a quasi-terrorist before he became a saint. Which is why his life is so inspiring.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before Mandela became a saint he actually was someone who plotted violent actions against the SA government and a Marxist.

You mean like George Washington, Patrick Henry, Crispus Attucks, Paul Revere, Thomas Jefferson, et al.

+1. I love people who read.

Or Moshe Dayan, David Ben Gurion, Reza Pahlavi -- all propped up by the CIA or its predecessor, OSS.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before Mandela became a saint he actually was someone who plotted violent actions against the SA government and a Marxist.

You mean like George Washington, Patrick Henry, Crispus Attucks, Paul Revere, Thomas Jefferson, et al.

+1. I love people who read.

Anonymous wrote:Before Mandela became a saint he actually was someone who plotted violent actions against the SA government and a Marxist.

You mean like George Washington, Patrick Henry, Crispus Attucks, Paul Revere, Thomas Jefferson, et al.

Anonymous wrote:Mandela earlier had been a Communist at last a Communist sympathizer,until Reagan inspired him to become committed to freedom a democracy.

um yeah.... I'm sure he admired the guy who vetoed sanctions against South Africa.

Mandela earlier had been a Communist at last a Communist sympathizer,until Reagan inspired him to become committed to freedom a democracy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before Mandela became a saint he actually was someone who plotted violent actions against the SA government and a Marxist.

Tell you what. I'll keep admiring Mandela and you may keep admiring Trump (and Dick Cheney, who was anti-Mandela).

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Anonymous wrote:Before Mandela became a saint he actually was someone who plotted violent actions against the SA government and a Marxist.

You can't be serious!

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Before Mandela became a saint he actually was someone who plotted violent actions against the SA government and a Marxist.[/quote]

I can't blame him for plotting violent actions against an oppressive regime. He tried nonviolence and they just threw him in jail. So he started a sabotage campaign. If we had the right to dump tea in the boston harbor and then start a revolution, I don't see why he didn't have the right to do similar.

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Anonymous wrote:Before Mandela became a saint he actually was someone who plotted violent actions against the SA government and a Marxist.

I can't blame him for plotting violent actions against an oppressive regime. He tried nonviolence and they just threw him in jail. So he started a sabotage campaign. If we had the right to dump tea in the boston harbor and then start a revolution, I don't see why he didn't have the right to do similar.

Anonymous wrote:Before Mandela became a saint he actually was someone who plotted violent actions against the SA government and a Marxist.

Tell you what. I'll keep admiring Mandela and you may keep admiring Trump.

I do not know anything about this situation. However, it does look like S.O.P. for the CIA in the 1950' s and 1960's.

They may have been well-intentioned, but they stirred up a lot of pots.

Before Mandela became a saint he actually was someone who plotted violent actions against the SA government and a Marxist.

During the years that I lived in various developing countries, the locals would often claim the involvement of the CIA in everything that went wrong in their countries. It was just a consistent theme that the CIA was involved.

We now know that the CIA has been involved in multiple plots ranging from overthrowing the democratically elected leader of Iran in the early fifties to doing the same to the democratically elected leader of Chile in the seventies to the assassination of Patrice Lumumba - the first president of the former Belgian Congo - in the sixties and multiple plots over the decades to kill Fidel Castro.

It now turns out that the CIA was involved in providing information to the apartheid regime of South Africa that enabled them to arrest Mandela!

A former CIA spy said he played a key role in getting Nelson Mandela arrested in 1962, which led to a 27-year imprisonment. Donald Rickard, who was working as the U.S. vice consul in Durban at the time, said he was the one who provided the tip about Mandela’s whereabouts on that fateful day, according to the Sunday Times. Rickard gave the explosive declaration mere weeks before his March 30 death to British film director John Irvin. The former spy had no apparent qualms about what he did because Mandela was “the world’s most dangerous communist outside of the Soviet Union.”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/15/former_u_s_spy_says_cia_played_key_role_in_nelson_mandela_arrest.html

Is it any wonder that the US is accused of plotting and otherwise fomenting unrest in some countries and why there is such suspicion about the CIA in these countries?