The beat of DCUM rolls on. Would you all give it a rest! This is boring and repetitive! The same drivel over and over!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is true for everyone. Not just "Black and Hispanic Science majors."

It's shocking how many people pay a fortune to go to higher ranked schools, when they can go to a perfectly good, but less "prestigious" school for a fraction of the cost.

For this reason, I have little sympathy for people who spend 50k per year on college and then cry about it.

Did you read the article? I don't think cost is the problem they are talking about here.

NP.. yes, it's about the fact that many are not prepared for the academic rigors of a science major at the top two UC schools.

No dog in this fight, but like most people I can see both sides. However the first article is flawed based on data from 1990s. The second article is more credible. I think it is common sense that all students at a top school benefit, even the students not at the top. These days, the graduation rates at top schools is very high (one of the reasons they are top schools) of all students is high and comparable among all groups, including athletes, legacies, etc.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is true for everyone. Not just "Black and Hispanic Science majors."

It's shocking how many people pay a fortune to go to higher ranked schools, when they can go to a perfectly good, but less "prestigious" school for a fraction of the cost.

For this reason, I have little sympathy for people who spend 50k per year on college and then cry about it.

Did you read the article? I don't think cost is the problem they are talking about here.

NP.. yes, it's about the fact that many are not prepared for the academic rigors of a science major at the top two UC schools.

Anonymous wrote:This is true for everyone. Not just "Black and Hispanic Science majors."

It's shocking how many people pay a fortune to go to higher ranked schools, when they can go to a perfectly good, but less "prestigious" school for a fraction of the cost.

For this reason, I have little sympathy for people who spend 50k per year on college and then cry about it.

Did you read the article? I don't think cost is the problem they are talking about here.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is true for everyone. Not just "Black and Hispanic Science majors."

It's shocking how many people pay a fortune to go to higher ranked schools, when they can go to a perfectly good, but less "prestigious" school for a fraction of the cost.

For this reason, I have little sympathy for people who spend 50k per year on college and then cry about it.

+1 to all of this.

+2. True for EVERYONE.

+3

As a white person who went to one of these schools during the late 90s, I will say all of the science classes for freshman were serious weeder classes. They were HARD. Really separated the wheat from the chaff for those who really wanted a science major.

The problem was there was a lot more "chaff" amongst affirmative action students.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is true for everyone. Not just "Black and Hispanic Science majors."

It's shocking how many people pay a fortune to go to higher ranked schools, when they can go to a perfectly good, but less "prestigious" school for a fraction of the cost.

For this reason, I have little sympathy for people who spend 50k per year on college and then cry about it.

+1 to all of this.

+2. True for EVERYONE.

+3

As a white person who went to one of these schools during the late 90s, I will say all of the science classes for freshman were serious weeder classes. They were HARD. Really separated the wheat from the chaff for those who really wanted a science major.

This is what basically what Justice Scalia said everyone went nuts!!

Well, not quite. I am a state U grad and certainly relate to the idea that one can get a good education for much less money than at some private or out of state elite public schools. But, if a kid is going to be one of the stronger stidents in a top ranked program, I believe that does have advantages that can be seen over a long career. At a top ranked program you not only have school name recognition, but more well known professors, and their contacts, more job prospects or grad school acceptances, top research opportunities, etc. for the kid in the middle of the pack or pulling up the rear maybe less true or unclear, but for strong
stidents there can be a clear difference.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is true for everyone. Not just "Black and Hispanic Science majors."

It's shocking how many people pay a fortune to go to higher ranked schools, when they can go to a perfectly good, but less "prestigious" school for a fraction of the cost.

For this reason, I have little sympathy for people who spend 50k per year on college and then cry about it.

+1 to all of this.

+2. True for EVERYONE.

Anonymous wrote:"Many of the Black and Hispanic undergraduates majoring in sciences at the two most selective University of California campuses during the 1990s might have been better off academically and financially if they had attended lower-ranked UC counterparts.

That’s one of the conclusions in a new study examining UC’s minority science graduation rates that published this month in “The American Economic Review.” The UC is widely considered one of the most prestigious public institutions nationally."
http://diverseeducation.com/article/82881/

Do you spend your days and nights looking for 'yippee. another article lambasting minorities and their academic college placement?'

Anonymous wrote:This is true for everyone. Not just "Black and Hispanic Science majors."

It's shocking how many people pay a fortune to go to higher ranked schools, when they can go to a perfectly good, but less "prestigious" school for a fraction of the cost.

For this reason, I have little sympathy for people who spend 50k per year on college and then cry about it.

+1 to all of this.

Ban affirmative action

This is true for everyone. Not just "Black and Hispanic Science majors."

It's shocking how many people pay a fortune to go to higher ranked schools, when they can go to a perfectly good, but less "prestigious" school for a fraction of the cost.

For this reason, I have little sympathy for people who spend 50k per year on college and then cry about it.

"Many of the Black and Hispanic undergraduates majoring in sciences at the two most selective University of California campuses during the 1990s might have been better off academically and financially if they had attended lower-ranked UC counterparts.

That’s one of the conclusions in a new study examining UC’s minority science graduation rates that published this month in “The American Economic Review.” The UC is widely considered one of the most prestigious public institutions nationally."

http://diverseeducation.com/article/82881/