Anonymous
Post 03/23/2016 08:31     Subject: Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
Anonymous wrote:Very interesting (the clips are better than the few lines in the article). He was talking about EQ over IQ and how most people with high IQs find themselves working for people with IQs around 100. - http://www.supersoul.tv/supersoul-sunday/why-daniel-goleman-says-a-high-iq-doesnt-predict-success

I'm not a high IQ basher. Your IQ is your IQ. My youngest child is in AAP and we did have to appeal with a WISC over 145. However, I also have a teen who is not in AAP and at the time it was the GT program. His IQ is 113. I don't see my daughter being any more successful in life than my son.


How does that explain Elon Musk?
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2016 07:43     Subject: Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
Anonymous wrote:Huh. I'm hugely empathetic and kind of smart but with tons of learning disabilities that drive my IQ down. I'm not successful at ALL in life.


Sorry to hear that, pp, but I don't think any level of EQ or IQ guarantees success.

I think the best mix for the possibility for success is very high EQ, above average IQ and a good dose of competitiveness and initiative.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2016 07:33     Subject: Re:Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
News Flash

Noone cares how smart you are if you can't follow directions (Graduate from College/Do a job) and act in a social environment (The modern workplace)
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2016 07:25     Subject: Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is one of the reasons why I am very pro AAP.

I have several highly gifted and profoundly gifted family members including my father who have really struggled through life. Their struggles started when they were young, and for my father specifically elementary (getting in trouble for reading ahead, losing opportunities for which he was the most qualified for because he was so dang annoying/no it all, getting used for his smarts and dumped afterwards, never fitting in because he was interested in so many different things than most kids, etc.)

The absolute best thing AAP did for my ki and kids like him was to provide enough of a peer group that he was just one of the kids, which enabled him to have the time to even his emotional social skills with his intellect. It is still uneven, but not in the way it would have been without AAP.

I am so grateful to fcps that they have a program like this. It really made a difference for my kid who is at the upper edges of intellect.

That is why I fiercely defend and advocate for AAP as it currently stands. It may catch a wider net than some would like. But the benefits to kids at the top with EQ at or below typical levels, elememtary AAP is an invaluable program.

My kid is heading off to high school so this is my experience through the rear view mirror.


Hate to break this to you, but AAP is not anywhere near HG or PG. It's not even near the "upper edges of intellect."


You clearly are not highly gifted either as you lack reading comprehension.

Try reading again.

My kid is who I am talking about. You are so fixated on hating AAP that you can't even hold a rational conversation without jumping to your anti AAP biases.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2016 06:45     Subject: Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is one of the reasons why I am very pro AAP.

I have several highly gifted and profoundly gifted family members including my father who have really struggled through life. Their struggles started when they were young, and for my father specifically elementary (getting in trouble for reading ahead, losing opportunities for which he was the most qualified for because he was so dang annoying/no it all, getting used for his smarts and dumped afterwards, never fitting in because he was interested in so many different things than most kids, etc.)

The absolute best thing AAP did for my ki and kids like him was to provide enough of a peer group that he was just one of the kids, which enabled him to have the time to even his emotional social skills with his intellect. It is still uneven, but not in the way it would have been without AAP.

I am so grateful to fcps that they have a program like this. It really made a difference for my kid who is at the upper edges of intellect.

That is why I fiercely defend and advocate for AAP as it currently stands. It may catch a wider net than some would like. But the benefits to kids at the top with EQ at or below typical levels, elememtary AAP is an invaluable program.

My kid is heading off to high school so this is my experience through the rear view mirror.


Hate to break this to you, but AAP is not anywhere near HG or PG. It's not even near the "upper edges of intellect."


Yes, you are correct that there are some MG kids in AAP. But there are also many more HG and EG kids in AAP.

For the PG kids -- public school will likely not work well as there are so few students who are three std deviations above the mean.

No system is perfect.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2016 06:39     Subject: Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
Success is ill defined. I am very successful, but only by my definition. I manage to get paid upper 100's doing a job that is interesting, challenging, and fun while avoiding the pitfalls of management. That is success in my book.

I know people that make a lot more than me. Many of them are miserable, and hate the work day. I look forward to it, mostly.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2016 23:59     Subject: Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
Huh. I'm hugely empathetic and kind of smart but with tons of learning disabilities that drive my IQ down. I'm not successful at ALL in life.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2016 23:54     Subject: Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
Anonymous wrote:This is one of the reasons why I am very pro AAP.

I have several highly gifted and profoundly gifted family members including my father who have really struggled through life. Their struggles started when they were young, and for my father specifically elementary (getting in trouble for reading ahead, losing opportunities for which he was the most qualified for because he was so dang annoying/no it all, getting used for his smarts and dumped afterwards, never fitting in because he was interested in so many different things than most kids, etc.)

The absolute best thing AAP did for my ki and kids like him was to provide enough of a peer group that he was just one of the kids, which enabled him to have the time to even his emotional social skills with his intellect. It is still uneven, but not in the way it would have been without AAP.

I am so grateful to fcps that they have a program like this. It really made a difference for my kid who is at the upper edges of intellect.

That is why I fiercely defend and advocate for AAP as it currently stands. It may catch a wider net than some would like. But the benefits to kids at the top with EQ at or below typical levels, elememtary AAP is an invaluable program.

My kid is heading off to high school so this is my experience through the rear view mirror.


Hate to break this to you, but AAP is not anywhere near HG or PG. It's not even near the "upper edges of intellect."
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2016 22:28     Subject: Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
This is one of the reasons why I am very pro AAP.

I have several highly gifted and profoundly gifted family members including my father who have really struggled through life. Their struggles started when they were young, and for my father specifically elementary (getting in trouble for reading ahead, losing opportunities for which he was the most qualified for because he was so dang annoying/no it all, getting used for his smarts and dumped afterwards, never fitting in because he was interested in so many different things than most kids, etc.)

The absolute best thing AAP did for my ki and kids like him was to provide enough of a peer group that he was just one of the kids, which enabled him to have the time to even his emotional social skills with his intellect. It is still uneven, but not in the way it would have been without AAP.

I am so grateful to fcps that they have a program like this. It really made a difference for my kid who is at the upper edges of intellect.

That is why I fiercely defend and advocate for AAP as it currently stands. It may catch a wider net than some would like. But the benefits to kids at the top with EQ at or below typical levels, elememtary AAP is an invaluable program.

My kid is heading off to high school so this is my experience through the rear view mirror.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2016 22:11     Subject: Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
But success and gifted aren't interchangeable, so if you're bringing this up as a way to expand who should be in AAP... it's not supporting data.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2016 21:49     Subject: Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How is this new? What is the saying, that your A student will be working for my C student?

Entitled much? How dumb.


I was the A student, I wasn't intending to sound entitled. It's an old adage -- it's long been known that EQ is more important for some types of success than IQ.

Agree with the adage, of course.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2016 21:48     Subject: Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How is this new? What is the saying, that your A student will be working for my C student?

Entitled much? How dumb.


I was the A student, I wasn't intending to sound entitled. It's an old adage -- it's long been known that EQ is more important for some types of success than IQ.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2016 21:43     Subject: Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
Anonymous wrote:How is this new? What is the saying, that your A student will be working for my C student?

Entitled much? How dumb.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2016 21:41     Subject: Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
How is this new? What is the saying, that your A student will be working for my C student?
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2016 21:30     Subject: Success not solely tied to genetics or IQ, but also largely determined by factors like empathy, etc.
Very interesting (the clips are better than the few lines in the article). He was talking about EQ over IQ and how most people with high IQs find themselves working for people with IQs around 100. - http://www.supersoul.tv/supersoul-sunday/why-daniel-goleman-says-a-high-iq-doesnt-predict-success

I'm not a high IQ basher. Your IQ is your IQ. My youngest child is in AAP and we did have to appeal with a WISC over 145. However, I also have a teen who is not in AAP and at the time it was the GT program. His IQ is 113. I don't see my daughter being any more successful in life than my son.