Good grief dude. White Men invented 99.9 percent of every modern day necessity, system and luxury. Embrace the grace and glory that is man and buy her a ring.

Anonymous wrote:OP, you are not a feminist. You can be an ally, but you are not female, and therefore cannot be a feminist.

However, a feminist ally would never speak the way you do. Never, ever ever and your flimsy attempts to couch your obvious misogyny behind feminism is a combination of amusing and just gross.

This. You don't have to buy a ring if you don't want to. Hell, some women don't even like jewelry. But don't spin it as some feminist favor

Woman here. (Or should I say "female"?).

In my opinion, this is a matter a couple needs to talk over when they become engaged. I am not a fan of the "pop up surprise" engagement. The ring is part of future planning. Should the money be devoted to a house? To future planning? Or is there enough income to justify the expenditure?

In my case, I received a family heirloom ring from DH's mother. Which was absolutely perfect. I can't imagine my then-fiancee spending a dime.

OP, you are not a feminist. You can be an ally, but you are not female, and therefore cannot be a feminist.

However, a feminist ally would never speak the way you do. Never, ever ever and your flimsy attempts to couch your obvious misogyny behind feminism is a combination of amusing and just gross.

So, OP, you would be happy for a woman to turn up for a date in scruffy clothes (perhaps man's sweats?), with a short man's haircut, no makeup, and smelling of man's shower gel and soap?

Because, "sexual revolution" aside, there is still a marked "female tax" markup on women's clothing, toiletries, and even hair treatments/cuts. It costs a LOT more for a woman you take on a date to arrive looking presentable/good. Do you want your wife to share your clothes, forgo makeup, and just hack off her hair into a mannish cut at the barber shop that won't take any more to keep up than your own?

I'm guessing that no, you have high standards for the physical appearance of a woman you date.

I think you are concern trolling feminist women. But in case you are real, the short answer is that my wife wanted a ring, and no, I don't consider myself a feminist although I do believe in equality of the sexes

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Anonymous wrote:As a feminist guy, this is a deal-breaker for me and I feel pity and mystification for my guy friends when I hear about them doing it -- some of them are shelling out literally thousands of dollars for a ring that their partner isn't paying for half of. For these guys it's like the sexual revolution never happened.

If your answer is 'yes, I totally would', is it because you don't consider yourself a feminist, or what?

Come out of the closet. You'll be happier and stop envying women.

+1

Anonymous wrote:As a feminist guy, this is a deal-breaker for me and I feel pity and mystification for my guy friends when I hear about them doing it -- some of them are shelling out literally thousands of dollars for a ring that their partner isn't paying for half of. For these guys it's like the sexual revolution never happened.

If your answer is 'yes, I totally would', is it because you don't consider yourself a feminist, or what?

Do you volunteer to work for $.89 cents on the dollar (it was $.59 cents when I started working)? Do you volunteer to pay more for your dry cleaning and other accessories? Women have to pay more and earn less. Do you wear a completely different outfit to work for three weeks? How much do you pay to get your hair cut?

There are plenty of double standards still out there for which the women have the financial disadvantage. Having the man buy the engagement ring is one way to even the score.

Anonymous wrote:As a feminist guy, this is a deal-breaker for me and I feel pity and mystification for my guy friends when I hear about them doing it -- some of them are shelling out literally thousands of dollars for a ring that their partner isn't paying for half of. For these guys it's like the sexual revolution never happened.

If your answer is 'yes, I totally would', is it because you don't consider yourself a feminist, or what?

Come out of the closet. You'll be happier and stop envying women.

Anonymous wrote:As a feminist guy, this is a deal-breaker for me and I feel pity and mystification for my guy friends when I hear about them doing it -- some of them are shelling out literally thousands of dollars for a ring that their partner isn't paying for half of. For these guys it's like the sexual revolution never happened.

If your answer is 'yes, I totally would', is it because you don't consider yourself a feminist, or what?

Sounds like you would feel better giving the ring to one of your guy friends.

Or maybe just by a ring for yourself and get on with your life with yourself.

I feel like someone needs to link to the "why do women put up with men" threads here....

OP, you sound like the type of guy to refer to women as "females"...

OP, you are very childish...

As a "feminist guy"?

This is a great example of why not to trust men who CLAIM to be feminists.

First of all bro, if you were really interested in feminism and helping women, then you would be aware of the wage gap, where women currently make 70% of what a man makes.

The FEMINIST MOVEMENT is not about making it so that men can get laid and women have to pay for shit. It's about women's liberation.

You are so full of shit and trying to act like you are a feminist to try to wriggle out of paying... you are so much more laughably transparent then you realize.

As a feminist guy, this is a deal-breaker for me and I feel pity and mystification for my guy friends when I hear about them doing it -- some of them are shelling out literally thousands of dollars for a ring that their partner isn't paying for half of. For these guys it's like the sexual revolution never happened.

If your answer is 'yes, I totally would', is it because you don't consider yourself a feminist, or what?