Anonymous wrote:I think they shouldn't even ask for race on the application. And if you can tell race by the first or last name, maybe that should be left anonymous as well.

I suggested this on a previous thread discussing this subject.

By all means use the "holistic" criteria but without any information about the racial background of the applicant. It would be closer to an objective process using this approach.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they shouldn't even ask for race on the application. And if you can tell race by the first or last name, maybe that should be left anonymous as well.

Interesting concept. How would you feel if individuals using ID numbers only resulted in ONE ethnic group known for extensive test preparation becomes 95% of every top 20 college? Your snowflake would be excluded with their paltry SAT 2200. All hell would break loose, and you know this.

Shouldn't you prepare for test?
Why someone should be punished for "extensive" test preparation while some other one should be rewarded by simply in the "correct" race and not work on "extensive" test preparation. You don't need to pay anything to prepare, just go to the library and there are books to help you prepare.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they shouldn't even ask for race on the application. And if you can tell race by the first or last name, maybe that should be left anonymous as well.

I see where you're going...

Too much info in the picture. No visuals allowed. You can't have it both ways.

Anonymous wrote:I think they shouldn't even ask for race on the application. And if you can tell race by the first or last name, maybe that should be left anonymous as well.

Interesting concept. How would you feel if individuals using ID numbers only resulted in ONE ethnic group known for extensive test preparation becomes 95% of every top 20 college? Your snowflake would be excluded with their paltry SAT 2200. All hell would break loose, and you know this.

Anonymous wrote:I think they shouldn't even ask for race on the application. And if you can tell race by the first or last name, maybe that should be left anonymous as well.

I see where you're going...

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I think this thread was started as a faux attempt to present itself as a 'legitimate' response to the affirmative action argument. I guarantee that if Harvard or any other college were to become overwhelmingly of one race not Caucasian, their roar would be heard around the world. Even Cal Tech has put the brakes on 60% non-white.

I've said my peace and know this thread started by OP has a disparaging purpose. There is no doubt in my mind. I've seen it happen too many times in this forum with the worse of the worst chiming in. Not an intelligent discussion but a vile, cruel forum to disparage.

I take my leave not to return. Enjoy yourselves in your inevitable debasement.

I think you are over-reacting and trying to limit constructive discussion of an important issue related to colleges.

NP. I will withhold judgment but I also have seen threads start out innocuously enough and turn into torches and pitchforks. We'll see where this goes.

I don't see the PP trying to limit discussion in so much as opining where these type of discussions. Again, let's see where it goes.

PP, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not trying to limit the other PP's right to voice constructive discussion and another point of view.

The PP being 11:53. Ooh, too many PPs!

I think they shouldn't even ask for race on the application. And if you can tell race by the first or last name, maybe that should be left anonymous as well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I think this thread was started as a faux attempt to present itself as a 'legitimate' response to the affirmative action argument. I guarantee that if Harvard or any other college were to become overwhelmingly of one race not Caucasian, their roar would be heard around the world. Even Cal Tech has put the brakes on 60% non-white.

I've said my peace and know this thread started by OP has a disparaging purpose. There is no doubt in my mind. I've seen it happen too many times in this forum with the worse of the worst chiming in. Not an intelligent discussion but a vile, cruel forum to disparage.

I take my leave not to return. Enjoy yourselves in your inevitable debasement.

I think you are over-reacting and trying to limit constructive discussion of an important issue related to colleges.

NP. I will withhold judgment but I also have seen threads start out innocuously enough and turn into torches and pitchforks. We'll see where this goes.

I don't see the PP trying to limit discussion in so much as opining where these type of discussions. Again, let's see where it goes.

PP, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not trying to limit the other PP's right to voice constructive discussion and another point of view.

Anonymous wrote:And I think this thread was started as a faux attempt to present itself as a 'legitimate' response to the affirmative action argument. I guarantee that if Harvard or any other college were to become overwhelmingly of one race not Caucasian, their roar would be heard around the world. Even Cal Tech has put the brakes on 60% non-white.

I've said my peace and know this thread started by OP has a disparaging purpose. There is no doubt in my mind. I've seen it happen too many times in this forum with the worse of the worst chiming in. Not an intelligent discussion but a vile, cruel forum to disparage.

I take my leave not to return. Enjoy yourselves in your inevitable debasement.

I think you are over-reacting and trying to limit constructive discussion of an important issue related to colleges.

And I think this thread was started as a faux attempt to present itself as a 'legitimate' response to the affirmative action argument. I guarantee that if Harvard or any other college were to become overwhelmingly of one race not Caucasian, their roar would be heard around the world. Even Cal Tech has put the brakes on 60% non-white.

I've said my peace and know this thread started by OP has a disparaging purpose. There is no doubt in my mind. I've seen it happen too many times in this forum with the worse of the worst chiming in. Not an intelligent discussion but a vile, cruel forum to disparage.

I take my leave not to return. Enjoy yourselves in your inevitable debasement.

"The case could have a far-reaching impact.

As a state school, UT is bound to the Constitution's equal-protection clause, which Fisher's team argues that race-conscious admissions policies violate.

Other public universities are watching the case closely, as are private schools who receive federal funding, many of which insist on the necessity of their race-conscious policies and hope that Fisher v. University of Texas will be decided on narrow ground less likely to impact them."

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless the outcome, private colleges like Harvard, Princeton, etc, will continue holistic admissions. Good for them.

Private universities may be affected and (bound) by the US Supreme Court ruling since they receive federal funds from the Federal Government unless they give up all federal funds.

I think it's time to end this racial discrimination based on race. This is shameful and unconstitutional to allow racial discrimination to continue. All citizens are guaranteed equal protection under the law.

Anonymous wrote:Regardless the outcome, private colleges like Harvard, Princeton, etc, will continue holistic admissions. Good for them.

Private universities may be affected and (bound) by the US Supreme Court ruling since they receive federal funds from the Federal Government unless they give up all federal funds.

Regardless the outcome, private colleges like Harvard, Princeton, etc, will continue holistic admissions. Good for them.

This time the Supreme Court is more likely to severely restrict or eliminate the use of race in college admissions.

""Every time they take one of these cases, I worry," said Sherrilyn Ifill, president and director-counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

Ifill's worry may be especially apt in Fisher's case because there is no split among lower courts to attract the justices' attention. In addition, Fisher herself will not benefit from the ruling because she graduated from Louisiana State University in 2012, and one liberal justice, Elena Kagan, is absent from the case due to her earlier work on it while serving in the Justice Department.

So it appears that the conservative justices have more they'd like to say about affirmative action."



http://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-revisits-texas-affirmative-action-case-080827673.html