Anonymous
Post 12/03/2015 06:04     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
Anonymous wrote:I'm a practicing Catholic who can imagine an 11th century Muslim resident of Jerusalem asking the same thing of Christians.

No religion has a monopoly on violent extremists. People of faith everywhere deal with the challenge of the lofty ideals of our beliefs vs. the reality of being morally weak humans in an imperfect, tempting world.


So you refer to the Crusades. And you STILL can't see that religion has been used to control since the beginning of time?

Someone said during yesterday's mass shooting that God protected her. So why didn't God protect the others? Just God just spin a wheel when making these decisions? toss a dice? pick names out of a hat?

Anonymous
Post 12/03/2015 00:12     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's a good question. There is violence in the Old Testament but not sure the New Testament says to kill, behead, maim anyone in God's name. [i][b]

Here are some interesting links
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5930764

http://www.theresligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm



I don't think it does either, but despite that, we had the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, slavery, etc.


True but the New Testament books never say to kill someone. There is a lot of "turn the other cheek" but no order to fight or kill unbelievers. Whereas the Quran says things like:
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."


You forgot the next few lines:

"Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (Of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people."

The entire surah gives Muslims the right to kill those who attack THEM. It's not about unbelievers just because they are unbelievers. It's about unbelievers who are slaughtering Muslims left and right.


I guess the Muslims who kill unbelievers unless they submit to Allah forgot the next few lines too.

I don't see any Jews stoning people for breaking laws (or cutting hands off, or heads, for that matter).
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2015 23:30     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2015 23:12     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's a good question. There is violence in the Old Testament but not sure the New Testament says to kill, behead, maim anyone in God's name. [i][b]

Here are some interesting links
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5930764

http://www.theresligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm



I don't think it does either, but despite that, we had the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, slavery, etc.


True but the New Testament books never say to kill someone. There is a lot of "turn the other cheek" but no order to fight or kill unbelievers. Whereas the Quran says things like:
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."


You forgot the next few lines:

"Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (Of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people."

The entire surah gives Muslims the right to kill those who attack THEM. It's not about unbelievers just because they are unbelievers. It's about unbelievers who are slaughtering Muslims left and right.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2015 23:06     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's a good question. There is violence in the Old Testament but not sure the New Testament says to kill, behead, maim anyone in God's name. [i][b]

Here are some interesting links
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5930764

http://www.theresligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm



I don't think it does either, but despite that, we had the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, slavery, etc.


True but the New Testament books never say to kill someone. There is a lot of "turn the other cheek" but no order to fight or kill unbelievers. Whereas the Quran says things like:
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2015 22:59     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
Anonymous wrote:It's a good question. There is violence in the Old Testament but not sure the New Testament says to kill, behead, maim anyone in God's name. [i][b]

Here are some interesting links
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5930764

http://www.theresligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm



I don't think it does either, but despite that, we had the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, slavery, etc.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2015 22:48     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
It's a good question. There is violence in the Old Testament but not sure the New Testament says to kill, behead, maim anyone in God's name.

Here are some interesting links
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5930764

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

Anonymous
Post 12/02/2015 22:46     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
Anonymous wrote:Is there a holy book that is NOT horribly violent, misogynistic, and chock-full of hate?

Religion is created by human beings. It is therefore considered a tool. The use of the tool depends on the person using it.



Dianetics!

All hail Xenu and Tom Cruise.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2015 22:42     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
I'm a practicing Catholic who can imagine an 11th century Muslim resident of Jerusalem asking the same thing of Christians.

No religion has a monopoly on violent extremists. People of faith everywhere deal with the challenge of the lofty ideals of our beliefs vs. the reality of being morally weak humans in an imperfect, tempting world.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2015 22:25     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
The Quran
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2015 22:24     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
Have you read the bible?
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2015 22:22     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
Anonymous wrote:The Koran has some horrific recommendations that aren't peaceful. Do the peaceful Muslims have a different holy book they aspire to live by?


A big chunk of the Quran is basically the Old Testament + the story of the birth and life of Jesus.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2015 21:59     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
Is there a holy book that is NOT horribly violent, misogynistic, and chock-full of hate?

Religion is created by human beings. It is therefore considered a tool. The use of the tool depends on the person using it.

Anonymous
Post 12/02/2015 21:57     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
God: kill your son
Abraham: uh...ok
God: holy shit I'm jk
Abraham: umm...
God: I'll probably kill mine tho lol
Abraham: wtf?
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2015 21:52     Subject: So which holy book do peaceful Muslims follow?
The Koran has some horrific recommendations that aren't peaceful. Do the peaceful Muslims have a different holy book they aspire to live by?