NP here- i have read in other threads of parents who appeal but don't include WISC- write letters explaning more and their child got in. So "new" information" may be just more information.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait for the CoGAT results.

If in pool wait and see. If selected, done. If not, appeal with the WISC.

If not in pool, parent refer. If selected, done. If not, appeal with the WISC.

This is not possible this year. They've told us that CogAT scores will not be back to the parents before the referral deadline. I'd submit WISC with the referral.

That precludes you from using it as new information on appeal. You're giving up an option.

Maybe you won't need to appeal, but where's the downside in having an additional option?

This is because PP does not understand the process.

It is:

1. in-pool or parent referral evaluation; and
2. appeal if denied during stage 1.

I agree with you on holding back the WISC.

Because of the tight deadline this year with the Cogat scores coming back, the best course of action for any family that is interested in AAP is to parent refer without waiting for the Cogat score - yeah, it makes for more work for the AART and the central committee, but it's FCPS' fault for moving up the deadline.

Note that when you parent refer for Stage 1 you *do not* have to include the WISC.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait for the CoGAT results.

If in pool wait and see. If selected, done. If not, appeal with the WISC.

If not in pool, parent refer. If selected, done. If not, appeal with the WISC.

This is not possible this year. They've told us that CogAT scores will not be back to the parents before the referral deadline. I'd submit WISC with the referral.

That precludes you from using it as new information on appeal. You're giving up an option.

Maybe you won't need to appeal, but where's the downside in having an additional option?

Anonymous wrote:Wait for the CoGAT results.

If in pool wait and see. If selected, done. If not, appeal with the WISC.

If not in pool, parent refer. If selected, done. If not, appeal with the WISC.

This is not possible this year. They've told us that CogAT scores will not be back to the parents before the referral deadline. I'd submit WISC with the referral.

Wait for the CoGAT results.

If in pool wait and see. If selected, done. If not, appeal with the WISC.

If not in pool, parent refer. If selected, done. If not, appeal with the WISC.

You need additional information to get additional looks, don't throw it all out there.

Your WISC is good, very good, and absent a very poor GBRS you'll get in.

Your kids processing score is well below the other scores (still OK though). Typically,that's high energy or attention challenged somehow. Kids like that will do much better on individual tests. Questions on the group test are paced for the slowest kids so gifted AND attention challenged have issues.

But bottom line, save the WISC. The first pass is a huge pool and "different" scores can get lost in the shuffle. Keep your powder dry....

Anonymous wrote:OP here,

here are the WISC scores:
FSIQ 148
Verbal 150
Perceptual 147
Working Memory 132
Processing Speed 115


NNAT:
111, 75% (national)

Cogat not taken yet and won't have the results until application time

Thank you for your suggestions.

I suggest you submit now, with a completed parent referral.

OP here,

here are the WISC scores:
FSIQ 148
Verbal 150
Perceptual 147
Working Memory 132
Processing Speed 115


NNAT:
111, 75% (national)

Cogat not taken yet and won't have the results until application time

Thank you for your suggestions.

The answer depends on the scores. You're not giving us anything upon which to base an answer.

The thing is that in order to appeal, you need to have new information in the packet. The WISC is the new information. I would keep the WISC in your back pocket and see if you need it.

What were the scores? Its hard to say without knowing more info. What is a "strong WISC" and a weak NNAT?

Anonymous wrote:I would submit it. Why delay a strong score that indicates DC should be in?

Probably because the feeling is that more kids get in, percentage wise, during the appeal process than the initial evaluation process.

Appealing gives you two bites at the apple and withholding the WISC allows for that second bite.

Simple game theory really; as much as I hate to say it and encourage gaming the system, I would hold back on the score and do a parent referral now (assuming kid is not inpool already) and then use WISC to appeal if need be.

Sucks to have to play it this way, but hey it's your kids.

What are the scores on both tests?

I would submit it. Why delay a strong score that indicates DC should be in?

I had a similar dilemma last year. Asked the psychologist who did wisc and the aart teacher. Both recommended to submit right away. I did, in first round.

I have a 2nd grader who will apply for AAP this year. His NNAT is weak and is taking the Fxat/cogat this month at school. However, he took the WISC this August and has very strong scores. We suspected his NNAT scores wasn't very representative, so we had him take the WISC early. We were curious where he stood and a teacher also recommended we have him tested.

My question is whether I should submit the strong WISC with his initial application or save it for the appeals process. My concern is that the initial application process may not consider (or even look at) the the WISC. I know they ask to submit it, but do they really consider it before appeals? If I submit it initially and they don't look at it, I would have no new information to provide for an appeal.

Thank you for your thoughts.