Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The furor and praise that Ryan Adam's 1989 cover album has gotten have raised a lot of questions about why we, as a culture, seem to automatically dismiss the Biebers, One Directions, and Taylor Swifts of the world- on the basis of the fact that teenage girls are their fanbase.

I think this is a good read for any parent of a teenager:

http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/881-pop-music-teenage-girls-and-the-legitimacy-of-fandom/

We "as a culture?" OP, Justin Bieber, One Direction, and Taylor Swift are part of POP culture. Nobody's "dismissing" them. And the teenyboppers have made all of them gobs and gobs of money, so they are hardly marginalized.

I also don't know who Ryan Adams is. When I first read your post, I thought you were talking about

me too actually! And then I thought of the line from south park where the Canadian Government apologizes for Bryan Adams and his music

I think Taylor Swift is kind of awesome. She's a feminist. I like that.

Anonymous wrote:The furor and praise that Ryan Adam's 1989 cover album has gotten have raised a lot of questions about why we, as a culture, seem to automatically dismiss the Biebers, One Directions, and Taylor Swifts of the world- on the basis of the fact that teenage girls are their fanbase.

I think this is a good read for any parent of a teenager:

http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/881-pop-music-teenage-girls-and-the-legitimacy-of-fandom/

I don't dismiss them because their fans are teenage girls.

I dismiss them because as artists they're not particularly ... compelling.

I mean, Taylor Swift can write a good melody, but everything she writes is the same. At least she's a pretty good role model.

The rest of them are truly style over substance. It's fluff and it's superficial. These are not virtues to me.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reason teeny pop music is demeaned is because it's over-produced, focus group-approved schlock that follows a formula, down to the notation and chord progression. There's nothing inherently "artistic" about it.

...and that differs from 90% of music nowadays exactly...how? Don't get me wrong, the majority is lowest-common denominator crap. But Pitchfork is so far on the other end of the spectrum, its laughable. That site panders so hard to hipster alterna wannabes that I can't take it seriously.

And Ryan Adams hasn't produced anything of substance since Whiskeytown.

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Hey - we all had a musical love that our parents made fun of...

Here's what my parents made fun of:

New Kids on the Block
Tiffany
Debbie (now Deborah) Gibson
Salt N Peppa
Beastie Boys
Nirvana (Quote: what the hell are they saying!?)

I think the only one they didn't make fun of was REM. It's just what parents do. And kids do the same with their parents music. Not everything needs a theory or discussion - it is just the circle of life.

Anonymous wrote:The reason teeny pop music is demeaned is because it's over-produced, focus group-approved schlock that follows a formula, down to the notation and chord progression. There's nothing inherently "artistic" about it.

...and that differs from 90% of music nowadays exactly...how? Don't get me wrong, the majority is lowest-common denominator crap. But Pitchfork is so far on the other end of the spectrum, its laughable. That site panders so hard to hipster alterna wannabes that I can't take it seriously.

And Ryan Adams hasn't produced anything of substance since Whiskeytown.

Anonymous wrote:The furor and praise that Ryan Adam's 1989 cover album has gotten have raised a lot of questions about why we, as a culture, seem to automatically dismiss the Biebers, One Directions, and Taylor Swifts of the world- on the basis of the fact that teenage girls are their fanbase.

I think this is a good read for any parent of a teenager:

http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/881-pop-music-teenage-girls-and-the-legitimacy-of-fandom/

We "as a culture?" OP, Justin Bieber, One Direction, and Taylor Swift are part of POP culture. Nobody's "dismissing" them. And the teenyboppers have made all of them gobs and gobs of money, so they are hardly marginalized.

I also don't know who Ryan Adams is. When I first read your post, I thought you were talking about

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^sorry, but no. Taylor swift is the one who wrote the damn music. The fact that Ryan Adams had to put it through the Bruce Springsteen distortion machine in order for people to take it seriously shows a lot of inherent misogyny.

Check out father John mistys cover of Ryan Adams version if you really want it crystallized for you.

What are you 11? I said people would appreciate her more. People that like indie rock may appreciate her songwriting. If you aren't a tween, you are one strange mom.

Are you one of those types that wander into a post and comment without ever reading the article?

Because your attitude is EXACTLY what this article dissects as being unacceptable.

Try working on your reading comprehension and get back to me.

Anonymous wrote:^sorry, but no. Taylor swift is the one who wrote the damn music. The fact that Ryan Adams had to put it through the Bruce Springsteen distortion machine in order for people to take it seriously shows a lot of inherent misogyny.

Check out father John mistys cover of Ryan Adams version if you really want it crystallized for you.

What are you 11? I said people would appreciate her more. People that like indie rock may appreciate her songwriting. If you aren't a tween, you are one strange mom.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^sorry, but no. Taylor swift is the one who wrote the damn music. The fact that Ryan Adams had to put it through the Bruce Springsteen distortion machine in order for people to take it seriously shows a lot of inherent misogyny.

Check out father John mistys cover of Ryan Adams version if you really want it crystallized for you.

Except Taylor doesn't write her music. It's all a charade.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/10/hit-charade/403192/

The reason teeny pop music is demeaned is because it's over-produced, focus group-approved schlock that follows a formula, down to the notation and chord progression. There's nothing inherently "artistic" about it.

Taylor Swift has been writing her own music since before she became famous. In fact, that's HOW she became famous. Of course, plenty of times writers collaborate with producers. That doesn't take anything away from the work they put in.

Plenty of artists sing manufactured stuff written for them by others. Beyonce is a huge offender, even Diplo has spoken about how little musical history she knew when he worked with her. Plenty of artists don't really contribute anything to the creative process, other than their voice, and then sit back and slap a "written by" credit on it.

Taylor Swift ain't one of those.

Anonymous wrote:^sorry, but no. Taylor swift is the one who wrote the damn music. The fact that Ryan Adams had to put it through the Bruce Springsteen distortion machine in order for people to take it seriously shows a lot of inherent misogyny.

Check out father John mistys cover of Ryan Adams version if you really want it crystallized for you.

Except Taylor doesn't write her music. It's all a charade.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/10/hit-charade/403192/

The reason teeny pop music is demeaned is because it's over-produced, focus group-approved schlock that follows a formula, down to the notation and chord progression. There's nothing inherently "artistic" about it.

^sorry, but no. Taylor swift is the one who wrote the damn music. The fact that Ryan Adams had to put it through the Bruce Springsteen distortion machine in order for people to take it seriously shows a lot of inherent misogyny.

Check out father John mistys cover of Ryan Adams version if you really want it crystallized for you.

I am a fan of Taylor Swift but Ryan Adam's version is incredible. If anything it will make more people appreciate Taylor Swift because she is a great songwriter.

I like current music. I remember my Mom did too. I was 3rd grade singing Like a Virgin. I turned out okay!

Interesting read.

The furor and praise that Ryan Adam's 1989 cover album has gotten have raised a lot of questions about why we, as a culture, seem to automatically dismiss the Biebers, One Directions, and Taylor Swifts of the world- on the basis of the fact that teenage girls are their fanbase.

I think this is a good read for any parent of a teenager:

http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/881-pop-music-teenage-girls-and-the-legitimacy-of-fandom/