Anonymous wrote:22:19, which do you object to? Calling this assault, or charging him with assault?

Chicken and egg, right? I mean it was an unwanted sexual touching of another...it is assault. If it is assault, then he should be charged, right? I don't object to it being called an assault, because it is what is it. I don't like to see a life marred so young by something that was clearly stupid and the lesson doesn't need to be taught to him by handing down a lifelong punishment.

22:19, which do you object to? Calling this assault, or charging him with assault?

Anonymous wrote:So he shouldn't be charged with assault because some time in the future he might have to say on a job application that he was charged with assault?

I didn't say that. I think there are two ways to look at this. One way is he did the crime, so he needs to face the full punishment. The other is that it could be handled on a school level (suspension) and have school wide education on the topic, and the message is still received by him. Do you think this kid won't have learned his lesson by a week's suspension, his parents knowing, the school knowing, etc? Do you think the boys who made the dare with him aren't scared themselves? Do you think he needs a record as a deterrent for future similar behavior or that the remainder if the student body needs his punishment to deter them from acting like this?

So he shouldn't be charged with assault because some time in the future he might have to say on a job application that he was charged with assault?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do I think he needs a criminal juvenile record so for his lifetime he has to answer yes, he has been charged with a crime, whenever he fills out a job application, even 30 years from now? No. And yes, I have a daughter.

You clearly don't understand how juvenile records work so please go back to Google.

I'm an attorney and previously taught criminal law and procedure. I'm pretty sure I do. Do you? In the links above for the job applications, unless the kid lies, he'd have to say yes he had been charged with a crime.

I'll add that YOU are the one confused. You're thinking that the juvenile record will be sealed. That's different for asking the person directly if he has been charged with a crime.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do I think he needs a criminal juvenile record so for his lifetime he has to answer yes, he has been charged with a crime, whenever he fills out a job application, even 30 years from now? No. And yes, I have a daughter.

You clearly don't understand how juvenile records work so please go back to Google.

I'm an attorney and previously taught criminal law and procedure. I'm pretty sure I do. Do you? In the links above for the job applications, unless the kid lies, he'd have to say yes he had been charged with a crime.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do I think he needs a criminal juvenile record so for his lifetime he has to answer yes, he has been charged with a crime, whenever he fills out a job application, even 30 years from now? No. And yes, I have a daughter.

The job applications don't ask whether a person has ever been charged with a crime. They ask whether a person has been convicted of a crime. And yes, I support banning this question from job applications.

http://www.nelp.org/publication/ban-the-box-fair-chance-hiring-state-and-local-guide/

Bus driver application: "3. Have you ever been investigated for, charged with, or plead guilty or “no contest” to any crime involving the sexual abuse of any person or indecency with a minor? Yes_____ No_____"


http://www.shenry.k12.in.us/domain/212

Law school application (asks if ever charged with a crime): http://www.abajournal.com/mobile/article/two_law_grads_who_didnt_tell_schools_of_full_criminal_pasts_are_barred_from


Another bus driver: http://www.laurel.k12.ky.us/userfiles/2/Human%20Resources/Bus%20Driver%20Application.pdf

Here is one to drive a truck: "Police Record
Tickets
Accidents
Felonies
DUI/DWI
Misdemeanors
If any, please explain:"

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Totally over reaction. Typical of today's "boys are rapists" parents.

What's the appropriate reaction when Person A grabs Person B and sticks Person A's tongue in Person B's mouth?

Totally over reaction. Typical of today's "boys are rapists" parents.

Anonymous wrote:Do I think he needs a criminal juvenile record so for his lifetime he has to answer yes, he has been charged with a crime, whenever he fills out a job application, even 30 years from now? No. And yes, I have a daughter.

The job applications don't ask whether a person has ever been charged with a crime. They ask whether a person has been convicted of a crime. And yes, I support banning this question from job applications.

http://www.nelp.org/publication/ban-the-box-fair-chance-hiring-state-and-local-guide/

Anonymous wrote:Do I think he needs a criminal juvenile record so for his lifetime he has to answer yes, he has been charged with a crime, whenever he fills out a job application, even 30 years from now? No. And yes, I have a daughter.

You clearly don't understand how juvenile records work so please go back to Google.

Sounds like an assault to me, too. As an adult, I wouldn't want anyone doing that to me. I hate that it happened to a 14 year old child.

13 is old enough to understand what unwanted sexual touching is. This boy's parents failed to get that across.

Do I think he needs a criminal juvenile record so for his lifetime he has to answer yes, he has been charged with a crime, whenever he fills out a job application, even 30 years from now? No. And yes, I have a daughter.

Anonymous wrote:For kissing a 14 yr old girl on a dare:

http://www.newsoxy.com/odd/pikesville-kiss-5-183479.html

This sounds like assault to me. What does it sound like to you?

A teenage boy was charged as a juvenile with assault after Baltimore County police said he kissed a classmate against her will.

A 14-year-old girl, an eighth-grader at Pikesville Middle School, told police Wednesday that a 13-year-old boy grabbed her by her shirt, pulled her toward him and "open-mouth kissed her with his tongue," according to police.

The girl said she was kissed against her will. The boy, who also is in the eighth grade, told police that he had been dared to do it.

The boy was charged as a juvenile and released to his mother.

Mychael Dickerson, a spokesman for Baltimore County Public Schools, said the boy also faces school disciplinary action.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-co-assault-kiss-20150912-story.html

For kissing a 14 yr old girl on a dare:

http://www.newsoxy.com/odd/pikesville-kiss-5-183479.html