Anonymous wrote:I had nightmares because of this show. Seriously.

Baby was Velcoro's, or that's the impression I got. I also got the impression that the women were in Mexico.

They were headed to Venezuela so it could be there or anywhere nearby.

I didn't think VV redeemed himself AT ALL. He should have died a lot faster with a lot less wordage. That long ridiculous conversation with Jordan in the where, train station? Oh my god. Expositional crap.

I nearly had to hide in the fridge.

The plot was too convoluted. It took too long to piece together, and there were too many main characters. The combination of a such an overly intricate plot with too many sub plots and character lines made it just not flow well.

Also because it was so plot heavy, the dialog suffered.

I think VV is a good actor and he could've done much better in that role had the plot and writing been better. I just think the writing was horrible.

I also think the guy that played Woodruff (can't remember his name) is a good actor. So is the guy that played Velcoro. But, again, the writing was so bad that it really hindered them.

They should have made the whole corruption thing a little less intricate and with fewer parties (I mean the casinos, the russians, the girls, the police, the politicians, hasidic jews, some hippy retreat, another gang there at then end -- it was spread too wide).

They also should have kept it to two (three tops) main characters. Four was too many. What made the first season of True Detective (despite its stupid ending) was how well developed the relationship was between the two detectives.

This season didn't build that until the couple of episodes because it spent so much time creating the back story for the four leads.

The first season managed to build the relationship and weave the back story in while doing that. That's a better approach, but it's harder to do with four main characters (and four back stories) than it is with two.

I would have centered the story on VV and Velcoro. I would have developed their relationship more, had their stories more intertwined because ultimately it was about corruption and dealings between criminals and law enforcement, so have the two heros/protagonist be a criminal and a police officer but really build that relationship so that it shows that there are shades of gray.

I was so bored and confused with the finale I went tobed half way through

I had nightmares because of this show. Seriously.

Baby was Velcoro's, or that's the impression I got. I also got the impression that the women were in Mexico.

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Anonymous wrote:the finale tied up the season really cleanly but it felt below par (the whole season) for HBO

Huh? How?

I had a ton of questions...
What was on the hard drive? The whole season hinged on it and never revealed?
So the movie director, who was shown for all of a mere 3 min way back in episode 3 (good thing I didn't blink, I would've missed it) is the main guy behind everything?
Why did that lady cop (never picked up on her name) give a Venezuelan reporter the evidence - not like an LA Times reporter?
Whose baby was that and where were they going?
VV dies with the diamonds in his pocket. Um ok.

So anti climactic. Didn't see much justice or get the impression it was implied. Could've ended the show fast forwarding 15 years with the red hair kid (Valcoro's) graduating the police academy impinge he was going to avenge his dad's murder and clear is name.

The baby was Velcoro's baby. He and the lady cop slept together. The lady cop is on the run (with her baby) because she is still a target because she knows what happened. That's why she gives the evidence she has to the reporter.

I don't think they ever say exactly what was on the hard drive. They just imply there's evidence of all of the corruption.

Anonymous wrote:the finale tied up the season really cleanly but it felt below par (the whole season) for HBO

Huh? How?

I had a ton of questions...
What was on the hard drive? The whole season hinged on it and never revealed?
So the movie director, who was shown for all of a mere 3 min way back in episode 3 (good thing I didn't blink, I would've missed it) is the main guy behind everything?
Why did that lady cop (never picked up on her name) give a Venezuelan reporter the evidence - not like an LA Times reporter?
Whose baby was that and where were they going?
VV dies with the diamonds in his pocket. Um ok.

So anti climactic. Didn't see much justice or get the impression it was implied. Could've ended the show fast forwarding 15 years with the red hair kid (Valcoro's) graduating the police academy impinge he was going to avenge his dad's murder and clear is name.

Anonymous wrote:^^ Did you seriously not get the ending? Justice is coming their way. Just not in the most directly violent way they deserve.

Maybe, maybe not. Everybody who has tried to bring them justice ended up in a body bag or on the run. Who knows if the reporter won't also end up in a body bag before the full story is reported. He seemed idealistic. She relayed the story to whom and his comment was "come back and testify". Okay, so her child can become motherless as well as fatherless.

the finale tied up the season really cleanly but it felt below par (the whole season) for HBO

I know there's been a lot of season 2 hate and Vince Vaughn hate, but we stuck with the show to the finale and I'm glad we did. I thought the finale was really good, it was tense and filled with emotion and I thought VV redeemed himself. Wish all the episodes were as well done as the finale. I'm happy for Velcoro that he now has two biological kids...he fucked up with the first one but the second will presumably only hear stories about what a good man he was.

I have also changed my opinion about Vaughn. This was a good move career wise for him and hopefully it will open up more roles for him

I have also changed my opinion about Vaughn. This was a good move career wise for him and hopefully it will open up more roles for him

^^ Did you seriously not get the ending? Justice is coming their way. Just not in the most directly violent way they deserve.

I disagree. I thoroughly enjoyed this season. I also enjoyed last season and am glad it was not a repeat of the same story.

I was sad for Velcoro. He just wasn't a thinking man. He was one fuck up after another. I was also sad that the show emphasized that in the end, you just cannot defeat corruption at the very top.

Vince did a good job. Plot was terrible. Surprised no one realized that during production. This is a good argument for the benefits of audience testing.

Vince Vaughn won me over. I finally stopped seeing the romcom guy. Thoughts on the finale?