Anonymous wrote:If you are american, and want the field, look at DoD contractors for classified work. In cleared jobs, you need citizenship. No H1B's/

+1, there are far more developers than testers. My husband has never had an issue getting a job when he needed or wanted a new one and it pays decently. If you know basic code and software development, there is very little competition.

Surely it can't all be that bad. I have a friend who works for Accenture who bemoans the inability of his Indian subordinates to think outside the box and do good work.

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Anonymous wrote:^ above poster is an idiot.

You're talking about a Quality Assurance Engineer. You need to show that you're familiar with code and have good logic skills. If you want to get into this, enroll in a hacker school for 6 weeks and take advantage of the recruiting.

PP was accurate. Testers at our company were purged last fall. And for what few are left, I know of no americans left in testing group in our large american corporation. Americans do not have the skills it takes now, such as speak Hindi and attend appropriate desi celebrations and have contacts at Indian colleges. Now we hire testers from Hexaware, Cognizent, Tata. No domain knowledge, just follow the script. lousy pay but work twice as long. You will work miserable hours, on call at last minute for weekend work, and be let go on a moments notice.

But don't worry, you will never get the job, these companies only hire Indians. Software Testing was and still could be a perfect skill for entry level college graduate but our culture has given the work to large Indian firms from New Jersey to place bodies.

I worked with so many people that have started with 2 year associate degrees, worked hard, and then moved on to development or project management. It was a great way to get a good paying job and a step in the door. But no more.

I'm the PP who wife was a tester. Reading the above I just remembered that I know someone who had retired early and sold her house in Potomac, because the system that she built and worked on for over 10 years was outsourced to India. This was a couple years ago, so it's still going on. She saw it coming though, as her upper management, Directors & VPs, were all Indian. It was common seeing them playing cricket in the hallways at lunch time.

Wait - I also worked for an Indian company some years ago, first checked bounced, and was the only time I ever paid for my OWN drug test.... sad times we're in for IT, nothing like the good old 90's.

If you are american, and want the field, look at DoD contractors for classified work. In cleared jobs, you need citizenship. No H1B's/

Anonymous wrote:^ above poster is an idiot.

You're talking about a Quality Assurance Engineer. You need to show that you're familiar with code and have good logic skills. If you want to get into this, enroll in a hacker school for 6 weeks and take advantage of the recruiting.

He may be an idiot, but a lot of what said is true. DW use to be a QA back in th 90's when big shops like MCI/WCOM, AT&T, Cable & Wireless, Exxon, etc actually did a lot of their development in the US. She moved into it from technical document/business analyst/PM side of the fence. Prior to that while in college she had taken a bunch of IT classes, and could of read code.

Now I have had testers work for me like the above poster mentioned, circa 2001, that didn't know shi**. They were brought over here (like 70 of them ) from India by Accenture to shadow the US workers, learn the system, as said system was moving India. This eventually led to laying off 100+ workers that were dedicated to the company, and had worked their butts off for years. A lot of these folks had mortgages, kids in college, bills, had worked for company over 15 years - it was sad. And this is just one example. Think Citi, Bank of America, etc....

DW now works in cyber security, something that wouldn't be outsourced to India, at least in her company.

GL.

Anonymous wrote:You need to know or be related someone at an Indian bodyshop. No background or education is necessary. They will write your resume, place you on a project and pay you very little.

+100 unfortunately this is 100 percent the truth

What can you recommend as good beginning steps in terms of education for starting and then moving on up from there?

How is Learnix?

My husband has a CS degree and is a tester. He enjoys it. He'd prefer to develop, but got lucky and the pay has been better as there are very few good experienced testers who know code and how to test. He just fell into it as after he got his degree an old buddy happened across his resume (in a stack, not direct contact) and offered him a job.

see http://hexaware.com/job/north-america

checkout the new jersey locations. What that means is they really don't have a job, they want a large supply of resumes, will pick through and find the cheap H1B Indians, and trash the rest.

please report back your progress.

Anonymous wrote:^ above poster is an idiot.

You're talking about a Quality Assurance Engineer. You need to show that you're familiar with code and have good logic skills. If you want to get into this, enroll in a hacker school for 6 weeks and take advantage of the recruiting.

PP was accurate. Testers at our company were purged last fall. And for what few are left, I know of no americans left in testing group in our large american corporation. Americans do not have the skills it takes now, such as speak Hindi and attend appropriate desi celebrations and have contacts at Indian colleges. Now we hire testers from Hexaware, Cognizent, Tata. No domain knowledge, just follow the script. lousy pay but work twice as long. You will work miserable hours, on call at last minute for weekend work, and be let go on a moments notice.

But don't worry, you will never get the job, these companies only hire Indians. Software Testing was and still could be a perfect skill for entry level college graduate but our culture has given the work to large Indian firms from New Jersey to place bodies.

I worked with so many people that have started with 2 year associate degrees, worked hard, and then moved on to development or project management. It was a great way to get a good paying job and a step in the door. But no more.

^ above poster is an idiot.

You're talking about a Quality Assurance Engineer. You need to show that you're familiar with code and have good logic skills. If you want to get into this, enroll in a hacker school for 6 weeks and take advantage of the recruiting.

You need to know or be related someone at an Indian bodyshop. No background or education is necessary. They will write your resume, place you on a project and pay you very little.

If so, would you please share about how you got into the field and advice for others, the education required & that will make you stand out, and what companies are best to work for?