The foreign students have no impact on the increased impact in small schools where they have few or no foreign applicants

The foreign students have no impact on the increased impact in small schools where they have few or no foreign applicants

There is no quota for F1 visa.

Surge in students in last 3 years. Foreign governments are learning how to use the system.

STUDENTS AND EXCHANGE VISITORS
• There are currently 966,333 F & M students studying in the United States.
• There are currently 232,988 J-1 exchange visitors in the United States.
• Twenty-eight percent of all F & M students in the United States originate from China.
• Seventy-five percent of all F & M students in the United States are from Asia.

http://www.ice.gov/doclib/sevis/pdf/by-the-numbers1.pdf

The real danger is in OPT. No quota, huge increase in hundreds of thousands.

From March 2014

“Foreign students, sometimes aided by school officials, are currently abusing the Optional Practical Training program to acquire unauthorized employment in the United States,” said Sen. Charles Grassley, citing a new report from the Government Accountability Office. “The federal government does not know where tens of thousands of foreign students in the OPT program are located, who they are working for, or what they are doing while in the United States,” the Iowa Republican said. OPT enables some 560,000 foreign students to obtain temporary work in their major area of study during and after completing academic programs here.

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Anonymous wrote:Its not just the common ap, its also the influx of foreign applicants. And nothing will be done about it because colleges love this. They appear to be more selective and they love the foreign students because they pay full freight.

F1 Student Visa is a fraud, then the OPT program is the extension of F1 program for cheap labor.

250,000 Saudi students in US, huge surge. Funded by King Abdullah Scholarships Program. Money from US paying Saudi for oil is funding their elites to go to school in US.

Of course we have millions of immigrants taking the jobs from blue collar workers but no one cares about that. But when they take a college spot, it becomes an issue ???

Optional Practical Training (OPT). The term "practical training" in DHS-speak is a euphemism for work. Optional Practical Training is merely work that takes place on a student visa. There is no requirement that training take place.

In 2008 the regulatory process ran amok. The year before, Microsoft's chief lobbyist came up with a scam to circumvent the quota on H-1B guestworker visas. He wrote DHS and suggested that the OPT work period be expanded to 29 months. If the H-1B quota prevented an alien from getting a work visa, he could just work on a student visa instead.

Over the next few months, DHS worked in absolute secrecy with industry and academic lobbyists to come up with regulations. The regulatory process is supposed to take place in public, but DHS did not let anyone other than lobbyists know that these regulations were being considered. DHS crafted regulations that would allow aliens on student visas who graduated with degrees in STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) fields to work in the United States for up to 29 months. It also allowed former students to be unemployed and looking for work. The whole purpose of the regulations was to undermine H-1B visa quotas.

Huge unemployment from 2008 meltdown and our culture still imports cheap labor to support huge multi-national corporations, the 1% clube of CEOs.

Now in 2014 there are over 250,000 Saudi students in US paid by Saudi gov. and almost 300,000 Chinese students in US on same F1 visa program.

Anonymous wrote:Its not just the common ap, its also the influx of foreign applicants. And nothing will be done about it because colleges love this. They appear to be more selective and they love the foreign students because they pay full freight.

F1 Student Visa is a fraud, then the OPT program is the extension of F1 program for cheap labor.

250,000 Saudi students in US, huge surge. Funded by King Abdullah Scholarships Program. Money from US paying Saudi for oil is funding their elites to go to school in US.

Of course we have millions of immigrants taking the jobs from blue collar workers but no one cares about that. But when they take a college spot, it becomes an issue ???

Anonymous wrote:I don't know about 15-20 but at my kids' school (MCPS public) a lot of kids do apply more than 10. I think the common app plays a big role and also "what if" mentality kids have... I think 6 is fine providing your DC has done an excellent job researching schools and will not change mind after 1/1 due date.

For people looking/hoping for merit money, more is better

Anonymous wrote:Our guidance director said to aim for 6 applications (2 reach, 2 match, 2 sure things). Where are people getting the idea that 15-20 is needed? Do they just want to say their kid got into 10 schools?

Our said 10: 5 reach, 3 match, 2 safety

My DC only applied to one college this year, because she was admitted early at her first choice.

Anonymous wrote:Our guidance director said to aim for 6 applications (2 reach, 2 match, 2 sure things). Where are people getting the idea that 15-20 is needed? Do they just want to say their kid got into 10 schools?

DC is a senior this year and he applied to 4. He applied to a safety that was a rolling admission. So he found out in October that he was accepted there and then just applied to three others. One was his first choice. He got into his first choice in Dec. We are still waiting for one, but it will be anti-climatic as he has accepted the offer from his first choice.

I think if you tailor it right, the student doesn't have to apply tons of schools. Find a good safety and apply EA/ED to your first choice. Then hone down the rest to a few. The cynic in me thinks the College Board is fueling the mania- they earn money every time a student applies to a school after the first three.

I don't know about 15-20 but at my kids' school (MCPS public) a lot of kids do apply more than 10. I think the common app plays a big role and also "what if" mentality kids have... I think 6 is fine providing your DC has done an excellent job researching schools and will not change mind after 1/1 due date.

Our guidance director said to aim for 6 applications (2 reach, 2 match, 2 sure things). Where are people getting the idea that 15-20 is needed? Do they just want to say their kid got into 10 schools?

Anonymous wrote:Its not just the common ap, its also the influx of foreign applicants. And nothing will be done about it because colleges love this. They appear to be more selective and they love the foreign students because they pay full freight.

I agree it's not JUST CA but CA plays a huge role. Kids are getting more anxious and more kids are taking shotgun approach. You are beginning to see kids with 15-20 apps. The whole process is f'ed up.

Purdue said theirs were up 20%.

Its not just the common ap, its also the influx of foreign applicants. And nothing will be done about it because colleges love this. They appear to be more selective and they love the foreign students because they pay full freight.

Some schools are reporting another round of increases in the number of applications received. Some Ivies say apps are up as much as 9 percent. Other colleges such as Colby and Sewanee say apps are up as much as 50 percent. Is it time to get rid of the common app?