Anonymous wrote:Do you mean "evidence based" or "peer review?" They are two different things. There is lots of evidence based research in social skills and yes, it's not as black and white as diabetes research, but it does make a difference. And much better than doing nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, how long ago was the neuropsych evaluation?

Language disorders are tricky. My kid sometimes says nonsensical things too b/c the words are jumbled in his head. He knows what he wants to say, sometimes can't get it out.

Also, get him an IEP or 504 if he's eligible. And in regards to social skills groups, you don't sound all that well informed, so trust me there are ones out there that will be appropriate for him. Your kid might be on the quiet side or he might be quiet b/c it's a coping mechanism.

Lastly, I'd look at summer programs at: Lab, Siena, Commonwealth, or Kingsbury.

NP. DS recently had a neuropsych eval and we were discussing language disorders: I've always known I've had issues with expressive speech exactly the same problem as your DS - "knows what he wants to say, sometimes can't get it out." Trouble with formulation as my DH who doesn't have this problem describes it. But on the surface no one would ever guess I have this problem. I was a college debater at an Ivy who went to a top law school. My son's neuropsych describes language disorders the same as you which struck me.

My kid has problems with social skills - not due to problems with expressive/receptive speech which for him is a strength but his lack of ability to "get" nonverbal communication. Social skills have to be taught explicitly like how most people are taught to solve a math problem since his ability to infer nonverbal communication is very very poor.

The problem with all these social skills classes, social communication therapy, etc is that none have been around for very long and there is very little data on their effectiveness in the long run. Nevertheless, I am always on the lookout for another one for DS. Sigh. Mostly commiserating here.

I don't know what you mean by "around for very long," but there is evidence base for a lot of social skills curriculum. Try reading one of Rick Lavoie or Michelle Garcia Winner's books. It's been well established that kids learn social skills from their peers. Kids with processing issues need more "practice," which can be as simple as one-on-one get togethers with kids their own age or slightly younger.

Finding a good program/social skills group is useful b/c it helps kids hone their skills but the underlying issues never quite go away. It's like managing diabetes--better with a healthy diet, exercise, and in some cases medication. Social skills get stronger with "practice."

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Anonymous wrote:OP, how long ago was the neuropsych evaluation?

Language disorders are tricky. My kid sometimes says nonsensical things too b/c the words are jumbled in his head. He knows what he wants to say, sometimes can't get it out.

Also, get him an IEP or 504 if he's eligible. And in regards to social skills groups, you don't sound all that well informed, so trust me there are ones out there that will be appropriate for him. Your kid might be on the quiet side or he might be quiet b/c it's a coping mechanism.

Lastly, I'd look at summer programs at: Lab, Siena, Commonwealth, or Kingsbury.

NP. DS recently had a neuropsych eval and we were discussing language disorders: I've always known I've had issues with expressive speech exactly the same problem as your DS - "knows what he wants to say, sometimes can't get it out." Trouble with formulation as my DH who doesn't have this problem describes it. But on the surface no one would ever guess I have this problem. I was a college debater at an Ivy who went to a top law school. My son's neuropsych describes language disorders the same as you which struck me.

My kid has problems with social skills - not due to problems with expressive/receptive speech which for him is a strength but his lack of ability to "get" nonverbal communication. Social skills have to be taught explicitly like how most people are taught to solve a math problem since his ability to infer nonverbal communication is very very poor.

The problem with all these social skills classes, social communication therapy, etc is that none have been around for very long and there is very little data on their effectiveness in the long run. Nevertheless, I am always on the lookout for another one for DS. Sigh. Mostly commiserating here.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, how long ago was the neuropsych evaluation?

Language disorders are tricky. My kid sometimes says nonsensical things too b/c the words are jumbled in his head. He knows what he wants to say, sometimes can't get it out.

Also, get him an IEP or 504 if he's eligible. And in regards to social skills groups, you don't sound all that well informed, so trust me there are ones out there that will be appropriate for him. Your kid might be on the quiet side or he might be quiet b/c it's a coping mechanism.

Lastly, I'd look at summer programs at: Lab, Siena, Commonwealth, or Kingsbury.

NP. DS recently had a neuropsych eval and we were discussing language disorders: I've always known I've had issues with expressive speech exactly the same problem as your DS - "knows what he wants to say, sometimes can't get it out." Trouble with formulation as my DH who doesn't have this problem describes it. But on the surface no one would ever guess I have this problem. I was a college debater at an Ivy who went to a top law school. My son's neuropsych describes language disorders the same as you which struck me.

My kid has problems with social skills - not due to problems with expressive/receptive speech which for him is a strength but his lack of ability to "get" nonverbal communication. Social skills have to be taught explicitly like how most people are taught to solve a math problem since his ability to infer nonverbal communication is very very poor.

The problem with all these social skills classes, social communication therapy, etc is that none have been around for very long and there is very little data on their effectiveness in the long run. Nevertheless, I am always on the lookout for another one for DS. Sigh. Mostly commiserating here.

PP here with the eight year old diagnosed with the language impairment-- I worry about the effectiveness of these treatments as well. We are paying quite a lot of money for social skills therapy/classes, but I wonder how much of it DS will be able to apply in "real life.' It might help him meet people initially or make friends on a superficial level, but will it help him form bonds and relationships? My DS is so sad without friends-- sadly, he is social, just not at all adept in this area.
I have a friend who clearly has these kinds of issues-- and while I "like" him and know that he's a good guy, I (and most other people) can only tolerate him in small doses. He is brilliant (engineer, top college) but his conversation is hard to follow, and he is not good at reciprocal conversation. That said, he is one of the most dependable, empathetic people I know. He hates to see other people down or upset-- he just doesn't know what to say. He's someone who deserves a lot of happiness, but due to his issues, has had more than his fair share of loneliness.

Anonymous wrote:13 year old ds has language processing disorder but is doing reasonably well academically. He doesn't have a 504 or iep. His processing speed is 37%, working memory around average & perceptual is high/very high category. I have always just thought he essentially has no problems but just on the quiet side with a smaller circle of friends than most people. I am now facing reality that he has more issues than that and am trying to figure out what it is I need to do to help him. He did have a full neuropysch eval that diagnosed him will language processing disorder. He has completed a year of language therapy. But I am noticing his language skill is so far from a 13 year old. For the most part, he is just really quiet. But after a whole week of vacation with him, being around him from morning to night every day, I am just so depressed at his language skill. I don't want to sound mean, but he just says stupid stuff where you just can't help but be like, "what are you talking about?" It's just one stupid question or comment after another all day long. (Btw, I do not react negatively to him and try to be as supportive as possible to him but am worried about others' reactions). No wonder he lacks friends or kids lose interest in him after awhile. Most socialization therapy seems to be geared to kids who have a lot more issues than him so would not be appropriate. His speech therapist suggested ending his therapy after about a year so I'm not sure if there is any more to be done at that end. I'm not even sure what exactly my question is. I'm just looking for any helpful suggestions from anyone in the same boat.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, how long ago was the neuropsych evaluation?

Language disorders are tricky. My kid sometimes says nonsensical things too b/c the words are jumbled in his head. He knows what he wants to say, sometimes can't get it out.

Also, get him an IEP or 504 if he's eligible. And in regards to social skills groups, you don't sound all that well informed, so trust me there are ones out there that will be appropriate for him. Your kid might be on the quiet side or he might be quiet b/c it's a coping mechanism.

Lastly, I'd look at summer programs at: Lab, Siena, Commonwealth, or Kingsbury.

NP. DS recently had a neuropsych eval and we were discussing language disorders: I've always known I've had issues with expressive speech exactly the same problem as your DS - "knows what he wants to say, sometimes can't get it out." Trouble with formulation as my DH who doesn't have this problem describes it. But on the surface no one would ever guess I have this problem. I was a college debater at an Ivy who went to a top law school. My son's neuropsych describes language disorders the same as you which struck me.

My kid has problems with social skills - not due to problems with expressive/receptive speech which for him is a strength but his lack of ability to "get" nonverbal communication. Social skills have to be taught explicitly like how most people are taught to solve a math problem since his ability to infer nonverbal communication is very very poor.

The problem with all these social skills classes, social communication therapy, etc is that none have been around for very long and there is very little data on their effectiveness in the long run. Nevertheless, I am always on the lookout for another one for DS. Sigh. Mostly commiserating here.

Anonymous wrote:OP, how long ago was the neuropsych evaluation?

Language disorders are tricky. My kid sometimes says nonsensical things too b/c the words are jumbled in his head. He knows what he wants to say, sometimes can't get it out.

Also, get him an IEP or 504 if he's eligible. And in regards to social skills groups, you don't sound all that well informed, so trust me there are ones out there that will be appropriate for him. Your kid might be on the quiet side or he might be quiet b/c it's a coping mechanism.

Lastly, I'd look at summer programs at: Lab, Siena, Commonwealth, or Kingsbury.

Anonymous wrote:Kids say stupid shit. My totally normal daughter asked me, at age 11, if the ice I was holding was cold. This is a kid with a slew of friends and on the high honor roll. Tweens and teens are sometimes very wtf.

Anonymous wrote:13 year old ds has language processing disorder but is doing reasonably well academically. He doesn't have a 504 or iep. His processing speed is 37%, working memory around average & perceptual is high/very high category. I have always just thought he essentially has no problems but just on the quiet side with a smaller circle of friends than most people. I am now facing reality that he has more issues than that and am trying to figure out what it is I need to do to help him. He did have a full neuropysch eval that diagnosed him will language processing disorder. He has completed a year of language therapy. But I am noticing his language skill is so far from a 13 year old. For the most part, he is just really quiet. But after a whole week of vacation with him, being around him from morning to night every day, I am just so depressed at his language skill. I don't want to sound mean, but he just says stupid stuff where you just can't help but be like, "what are you talking about?" It's just one stupid question or comment after another all day long. (Btw, I do not react negatively to him and try to be as supportive as possible to him but am worried about others' reactions). No wonder he lacks friends or kids lose interest in him after awhile. Most socialization therapy seems to be geared to kids who have a lot more issues than him so would not be appropriate. His speech therapist suggested ending his therapy after about a year so I'm not sure if there is any more to be done at that end. I'm not even sure what exactly my question is. I'm just looking for any helpful suggestions from anyone in the same boat.