Anonymous
12/02/2014 18:30
Subject: Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
Anonymous wrote:It's because it's made up, composite profile "journalism" ala Janet Cook, and the "gang" doesn't really exist as real, live *individuals* It's a story about a real problem, conceptually speaking, but not a story about a real EVENT at a given date and time. Mark my words. Brush up on Janet Cook, who also wrote about something that was a sad, real problem in America.
The Rolling Stone reporter "just couldn't find" and contact these people, at all, despite Rolling Stone's considerable resources to use on reaching out and despite the fact that your average 10 year old can find anyone she wants through social media.
Note that I'm not a rape apologist; in fact, I'm a sexual assault survivor. However I'm also a long-time journalist and editor and there's something fishy about this piece of "journalism."
The RS story never rang true to me. Not because I don't believe that there are numerous rapes on college campuses, but because the notion of a bunch of fraternity brothers at a school like UVA gang-raping a freshmen in the pitch dark just seems so absurd. I have to believe that, if that ever happened, one of the assailants either would have already confessed out of guilt or, conversely, cut a deal to mitigate his own potential criminal liability.
And, if something like this did happen to a freshman, the notion that her then-circle of friends would tell her to clam up and take one (or seven) for the team seems equally nuts. Someone would have encouraged her to report it immediately and pursue it with UVA and criminal authorities from the beginning.
Anonymous
12/02/2014 18:15
Subject: Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How hard could this be, given specific identifying information?
who gave "specific identifying information”? What is your source for this?
guy was a junior Phi Psi, or psi pi or whatever the frat is, he worked with Jackie as a lifeguard at campus pool. not that hard for anyone to figure out if they do some checking. their are pledge lists for that year in circulation, which would presumably include the names of the other participants.
not to mention if authorities are looking into it, the first thing they're going to do is ask the victim to name names.
No Phi Psis were employed by the aquatics center at that time.
Anonymous
12/02/2014 17:35
Subject: Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
Anonymous wrote:It's because it's made up, composite profile "journalism" ala Janet Cook, and the "gang" doesn't really exist as real, live *individuals* It's a story about a real problem, conceptually speaking, but not a story about a real EVENT at a given date and time. Mark my words. Brush up on Janet Cook, who also wrote about something that was a sad, real problem in America.
The Rolling Stone reporter "just couldn't find" and contact these people, at all, despite Rolling Stone's considerable resources to use on reaching out and despite the fact that your average 10 year old can find anyone she wants through social media.
Note that I'm not a rape apologist; in fact, I'm a sexual assault survivor. However I'm also a long-time journalist and editor and there's something fishy about this piece of "journalism."
I don't think it's made up. And presumably it's been lawyered to death. But as a journalist myself, I am confused why the reporter didn't try to contact the guys involved. Seems like basic CYA whether they are named or not.
Anonymous
12/02/2014 17:32
Subject: Re:Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
17:27 wow, I hope you are wrong. I am not naive. Married to Washington journalist who covers congressional delegation from southeast state. Who also went to UVA undergrad.
Anonymous
12/02/2014 17:27
Subject: Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
It's because it's made up, composite profile "journalism" ala Janet Cook, and the "gang" doesn't really exist as real, live *individuals* It's a story about a real problem, conceptually speaking, but not a story about a real EVENT at a given date and time. Mark my words. Brush up on Janet Cook, who also wrote about something that was a sad, real problem in America.
The Rolling Stone reporter "just couldn't find" and contact these people, at all, despite Rolling Stone's considerable resources to use on reaching out and despite the fact that your average 10 year old can find anyone she wants through social media.
Note that I'm not a rape apologist; in fact, I'm a sexual assault survivor. However I'm also a long-time journalist and editor and there's something fishy about this piece of "journalism."
The Rolling Stone reporter "just couldn't find" and contact these people, at all, despite Rolling Stone's considerable resources to use on reaching out and despite the fact that your average 10 year old can find anyone she wants through social media.
Note that I'm not a rape apologist; in fact, I'm a sexual assault survivor. However I'm also a long-time journalist and editor and there's something fishy about this piece of "journalism."
Anonymous
12/02/2014 17:21
Subject: Re:Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
This needs to get resolved quickly. For all parties involved. To either prove or disprove and move forward.The longer it goes on the worse it is.
Anonymous
12/02/2014 17:19
Subject: Re:Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
Junior year lifeguard. Another in her small anthropology class. Authorities must know who they are.
Anonymous
12/02/2014 17:09
Subject: Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How hard could this be, given specific identifying information?
who gave "specific identifying information”? What is your source for this?
guy was a junior Phi Psi, or psi pi or whatever the frat is, he worked with Jackie as a lifeguard at campus pool. not that hard for anyone to figure out if they do some checking. their are pledge lists for that year in circulation, which would presumably include the names of the other participants.
not to mention if authorities are looking into it, the first thing they're going to do is ask the victim to name names.
Anonymous
12/02/2014 16:59
Subject: Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
Anonymous wrote:How hard could this be, given specific identifying information?
who gave "specific identifying information”? What is your source for this?
Anonymous
12/02/2014 16:34
Subject: Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
One has, I think, and that person appears to have pulled down all of their social media profiles immediately.
Anonymous
12/02/2014 16:33
Subject: Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
It has nothing to do with video game journalism, so Reddit's not on the case.
(Honestly I have no firsthand knowledge of what goes on at Reddit so maybe this is inaccurate.)
(Honestly I have no firsthand knowledge of what goes on at Reddit so maybe this is inaccurate.)
Anonymous
12/02/2014 16:26
Subject: Re:Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
They haven't been publicly identified, but I think the authorities know who they are.
Anonymous
12/02/2014 16:25
Subject: Re:Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
Just because they haven't been arrested and charged doesn't mean they haven't been identified. Who are they?
Anonymous
12/02/2014 09:04
Subject: Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
Everyone knows who the Phi Psi brothers are those years. But no one has been arrested and charged yet.
Anonymous
12/02/2014 05:57
Subject: Why haven't alleged UVA rapists been identified?
How hard could this be, given specific identifying information?