15:15 forgot to add, for presents, over the years their one big present has been….ice skates, an archery set (there's a pink one on amazon.com), a pea coat and boots, that skateboard thingie that I mentioned above (rip stick?), a hair straightener iron.
The hair iron was very funny. My DD was begging for a computer or iPhone (we're also no electronics), the tortoise, and something else--just stuff that would require so much extra monitoring effort and misery from me--then in the midst of this, she says "hair straightening iron" and of course, to me, it's not the same class of gift, and it's only about $20 to boot, but for her, it's equivalent to all those other expensive and/or nightmarish things. So make sure you explore the many things she may like!