Anonymous
Post 11/20/2014 20:15     Subject: Re:B-/C+ in English

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If writing is the problem I would get a writing tutor. There are methods to writing, more like a science. If he learns that it will be valuable for the rest of his life. There also apps now to help formulate thought into essays. Writing is not taught in school and it is a shame.

If he just has problems reading boring books and answering ridiculously obscure questions about the plot I can't help you.
The best writers are readers. I cannot give any of my teachers, elementary through college, credit for writing education. The skill came from reading other than formatting for footnotes, etc.


That is a very myopic view of writing

So technical writers who write engineering plans learned that from reading. You realize this student is very good at math and science.

There is actually a science to writing, which you obviously never learned otherwise you would not have such an uneducated view on it.

I suspect you are and English teacher that takes offense, if so please read up on the latest methodologies for teaching writing.... Try to get outside of you left brain for a minute.




They learned to be good writers from reading a lot. The more you read, the more you know about good writing. They learned to do technical writing by taking writing classes in college and practicing.

If you aren't a good writer to begin with, you are a shit technical writer. There's a lot of shitty technical writers out there. It's actually a hard skillset to find -- many more people are good at tech or good at humanities, but not good at both.



No. It's not true. OP can just let her child be a bad writer, no worries just do STEM.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2014 20:12     Subject: Re:B-/C+ in English

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If writing is the problem I would get a writing tutor. There are methods to writing, more like a science. If he learns that it will be valuable for the rest of his life. There also apps now to help formulate thought into essays. Writing is not taught in school and it is a shame.

If he just has problems reading boring books and answering ridiculously obscure questions about the plot I can't help you.
The best writers are readers. I cannot give any of my teachers, elementary through college, credit for writing education. The skill came from reading other than formatting for footnotes, etc.


That is a very myopic view of writing

So technical writers who write engineering plans learned that from reading. You realize this student is very good at math and science.

There is actually a science to writing, which you obviously never learned otherwise you would not have such an uneducated view on it.

I suspect you are and English teacher that takes offense, if so please read up on the latest methodologies for teaching writing.... Try to get outside of you left brain for a minute.
OP here. Whoa everybody and take a deep breath! PP, I personally think you are out of place. There was no reason to castigate the poster for describing their experience in writing, and we certainly can't know what type of educational environment the poster had.

I personally am sorry I posted. This didn't have to go there. I'm through.
19:36 here. I'm sorry I lost my cool, OP. And thank you for your insightful observance. The other person is not worth my time and certainly not yours. Again, apologies to you.
+1. I think you're pretty classy, PP.

That said, I agree that readers make good writers. Maybe OP can encourage DC to read more books of his/her personal interest. Doesn't matter what it is as long as you read. I used to read the back of corn flake boxes at the breakfast table when I was a kid.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2014 20:08     Subject: Re:B-/C+ in English

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If writing is the problem I would get a writing tutor. There are methods to writing, more like a science. If he learns that it will be valuable for the rest of his life. There also apps now to help formulate thought into essays. Writing is not taught in school and it is a shame.

If he just has problems reading boring books and answering ridiculously obscure questions about the plot I can't help you.
The best writers are readers. I cannot give any of my teachers, elementary through college, credit for writing education. The skill came from reading other than formatting for footnotes, etc.


That is a very myopic view of writing

So technical writers who write engineering plans learned that from reading. You realize this student is very good at math and science.

There is actually a science to writing, which you obviously never learned otherwise you would not have such an uneducated view on it.

I suspect you are and English teacher that takes offense, if so please read up on the latest methodologies for teaching writing.... Try to get outside of you left brain for a minute.




They learned to be good writers from reading a lot. The more you read, the more you know about good writing. They learned to do technical writing by taking writing classes in college and practicing.

If you aren't a good writer to begin with, you are a shit technical writer. There's a lot of shitty technical writers out there. It's actually a hard skillset to find -- many more people are good at tech or good at humanities, but not good at both.

Anonymous
Post 11/20/2014 20:05     Subject: B-/C+ in English

Anonymous wrote:English has always been the weak link for DS. A grades in everything else but a moderate writer. DS usually pulls it up by semester end to a B/B+. How will colleges look at this when science and math are honors and everything else are A grades?

DS is a sophomore so there is more time but I don't anticipate him becoming another Hemingway.


If he is going into STEM, it's not a big deal. They are used to that kind of profile. Try to get him to bring it up, if you can, but many of his professors will have been exactly the same was as undergrads and high school students.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2014 20:02     Subject: Re:B-/C+ in English

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If writing is the problem I would get a writing tutor. There are methods to writing, more like a science. If he learns that it will be valuable for the rest of his life. There also apps now to help formulate thought into essays. Writing is not taught in school and it is a shame.

If he just has problems reading boring books and answering ridiculously obscure questions about the plot I can't help you.
The best writers are readers. I cannot give any of my teachers, elementary through college, credit for writing education. The skill came from reading other than formatting for footnotes, etc.


That is a very myopic view of writing

So technical writers who write engineering plans learned that from reading. You realize this student is very good at math and science.

There is actually a science to writing, which you obviously never learned otherwise you would not have such an uneducated view on it.

I suspect you are and English teacher that takes offense, if so please read up on the latest methodologies for teaching writing.... Try to get outside of you left brain for a minute.
OP here. Whoa everybody and take a deep breath! PP, I personally think you are out of place. There was no reason to castigate the poster for describing their experience in writing, and we certainly can't know what type of educational environment the poster had.

I personally am sorry I posted. This didn't have to go there. I'm through.
19:36 here. I'm sorry I lost my cool, OP. And thank you for your insightful observance. The other person is not worth my time and certainly not yours. Again, apologies to you.
No problem. Have a good evening with a good book!
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2014 19:58     Subject: Re:B-/C+ in English

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If writing is the problem I would get a writing tutor. There are methods to writing, more like a science. If he learns that it will be valuable for the rest of his life. There also apps now to help formulate thought into essays. Writing is not taught in school and it is a shame.

If he just has problems reading boring books and answering ridiculously obscure questions about the plot I can't help you.
The best writers are readers. I cannot give any of my teachers, elementary through college, credit for writing education. The skill came from reading other than formatting for footnotes, etc.


That is a very myopic view of writing

So technical writers who write engineering plans learned that from reading. You realize this student is very good at math and science.

There is actually a science to writing, which you obviously never learned otherwise you would not have such an uneducated view on it.

I suspect you are and English teacher that takes offense, if so please read up on the latest methodologies for teaching writing.... Try to get outside of you left brain for a minute.
OP here. Whoa everybody and take a deep breath! PP, I personally think you are out of place. There was no reason to castigate the poster for describing their experience in writing, and we certainly can't know what type of educational environment the poster had.

I personally am sorry I posted. This didn't have to go there. I'm through.
19:36 here. I'm sorry I lost my cool, OP. And thank you for your insightful observance. The other person is not worth my time and certainly not yours. Again, apologies to you.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2014 19:53     Subject: Re:B-/C+ in English

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If writing is the problem I would get a writing tutor. There are methods to writing, more like a science. If he learns that it will be valuable for the rest of his life. There also apps now to help formulate thought into essays. Writing is not taught in school and it is a shame.

If he just has problems reading boring books and answering ridiculously obscure questions about the plot I can't help you.
The best writers are readers. I cannot give any of my teachers, elementary through college, credit for writing education. The skill came from reading other than formatting for footnotes, etc.


That is a very myopic view of writing

So technical writers who write engineering plans learned that from reading. You realize this student is very good at math and science.

There is actually a science to writing, which you obviously never learned otherwise you would not have such an uneducated view on it.

I suspect you are and English teacher that takes offense, if so please read up on the latest methodologies for teaching writing.... Try to get outside of you left brain for a minute.
OP here. Whoa everybody and take a deep breath! PP, I personally think you are out of place. There was no reason to castigate the poster for describing their experience in writing, and we certainly can't know what type of educational environment the poster had.

I personally am sorry I posted. This didn't have to go there. I'm through.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2014 19:37     Subject: Re:B-/C+ in English

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If writing is the problem I would get a writing tutor. There are methods to writing, more like a science. If he learns that it will be valuable for the rest of his life. There also apps now to help formulate thought into essays. Writing is not taught in school and it is a shame.

If he just has problems reading boring books and answering ridiculously obscure questions about the plot I can't help you.
The best writers are readers. I cannot give any of my teachers, elementary through college, credit for writing education. The skill came from reading other than formatting for footnotes, etc.


That is a very myopic view of writing

So technical writers who write engineering plans learned that from reading. You realize this student is very good at math and science.

There is actually a science to writing, which you obviously never learned otherwise you would not have such an uneducated view on it.

I suspect you are and English teacher that takes offense, if so please read up on the latest methodologies for teaching writing.... Try to get outside of you left brain for a minute.
I am not an English teacher but just an individual relating how I learned to write. Nothing more, nothing less.

And as far as your insults, you can kiss my ass, you asshole.


You should not be such a bitch if you can't take the return serve.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2014 19:36     Subject: Re:B-/C+ in English

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If writing is the problem I would get a writing tutor. There are methods to writing, more like a science. If he learns that it will be valuable for the rest of his life. There also apps now to help formulate thought into essays. Writing is not taught in school and it is a shame.

If he just has problems reading boring books and answering ridiculously obscure questions about the plot I can't help you.
The best writers are readers. I cannot give any of my teachers, elementary through college, credit for writing education. The skill came from reading other than formatting for footnotes, etc.


That is a very myopic view of writing

So technical writers who write engineering plans learned that from reading. You realize this student is very good at math and science.

There is actually a science to writing, which you obviously never learned otherwise you would not have such an uneducated view on it.

I suspect you are and English teacher that takes offense, if so please read up on the latest methodologies for teaching writing.... Try to get outside of you left brain for a minute.
I am not an English teacher but just an individual relating how I learned to write. Nothing more, nothing less.

And as far as your insults, you can kiss my ass, you asshole.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2014 18:32     Subject: Re:B-/C+ in English

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If writing is the problem I would get a writing tutor. There are methods to writing, more like a science. If he learns that it will be valuable for the rest of his life. There also apps now to help formulate thought into essays. Writing is not taught in school and it is a shame.

If he just has problems reading boring books and answering ridiculously obscure questions about the plot I can't help you.
The best writers are readers. I cannot give any of my teachers, elementary through college, credit for writing education. The skill came from reading other than formatting for footnotes, etc.


That is a very myopic view of writing

So technical writers who write engineering plans learned that from reading. You realize this student is very good at math and science.

There is actually a science to writing, which you obviously never learned otherwise you would not have such an uneducated view on it.

I suspect you are and English teacher that takes offense, if so please read up on the latest methodologies for teaching writing.... Try to get outside of you left brain for a minute.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2014 17:55     Subject: Re:B-/C+ in English

Anonymous wrote:If writing is the problem I would get a writing tutor. There are methods to writing, more like a science. If he learns that it will be valuable for the rest of his life. There also apps now to help formulate thought into essays. Writing is not taught in school and it is a shame.

If he just has problems reading boring books and answering ridiculously obscure questions about the plot I can't help you.
The best writers are readers. I cannot give any of my teachers, elementary through college, credit for writing education. The skill came from reading other than formatting for footnotes, etc.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2014 17:34     Subject: Re:B-/C+ in English

If writing is the problem I would get a writing tutor. There are methods to writing, more like a science. If he learns that it will be valuable for the rest of his life. There also apps now to help formulate thought into essays. Writing is not taught in school and it is a shame.

If he just has problems reading boring books and answering ridiculously obscure questions about the plot I can't help you.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2014 17:21     Subject: B-/C+ in English

A solid B in English (B+ is better) with A grades in honors chem and math should warrant a 2nd look if accompanied by a strong essay and good recommendations. A B grade does not relegate you to a 2nd tier school nor a community college.
Anonymous
Post 11/16/2014 14:44     Subject: B-/C+ in English

It depends on the college.
Anonymous
Post 11/16/2014 14:40     Subject: B-/C+ in English

English has always been the weak link for DS. A grades in everything else but a moderate writer. DS usually pulls it up by semester end to a B/B+. How will colleges look at this when science and math are honors and everything else are A grades?

DS is a sophomore so there is more time but I don't anticipate him becoming another Hemingway.