Anonymous wrote:Weeell, actually there's still more research to be done on this.
First, remember we're talking about Asperger's not autism so the IQs will be artificially inflated because you don't really consider someone to be Aspie if they have an IQ that is below average.
Lots of theories, research, analysis about the relationship between Asperger's and genius but no consensus. Some interesting reading:
http://www.iidc.indiana.edu/index.php?pageId=598
http://healthland.time.com/2012/07/10/what-child-prodigies-and-autistic-people-have-in-common/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are most kids with Asperger's mainstreamed? What differentiates those who are mainstreamed versus those who are not? I assume some of them are profoundly gifted so they may do better in a gifted program that does or does not also cater to kids with SN but what about those with average cognitive abilities? Where do they end up?

Well you would assume wrong.

For people with autism, "About 40 percent have average to above average intellectual abilities..."
http://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism

Which is keeping with the general population...
http://www.edublox.com/iq-test/iq04.htm

Giftedness is more than just IQ in any case.

If you have Aspergers you are autistic. Aspergers never signified a high IQ, just no cognitive delays, which someone who was diagnosed with autism might. From the DSM IV:
http://www.firstsigns.org/screening/DSM4.htm#AS

The savants described in the article you linked to are specified to have Aspergers. In fact savants are more likely to be intellectually impaired. http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/0033-2909.125.1.31

Did you even read the articles you posted? Yes, people diagnosed with autism and/or Aspergers may have high IQs, but most people diagnosed with such don't. Stop perpetuating the myth.

Weeell, actually there's still more research to be done on this.
First, remember we're talking about Asperger's not autism so the IQs will be artificially inflated because you don't really consider someone to be Aspie if they have an IQ that is below average.
Lots of theories, research, analysis about the relationship between Asperger's and genius but no consensus. Some interesting reading:
http://www.iidc.indiana.edu/index.php?pageId=598
http://healthland.time.com/2012/07/10/what-child-prodigies-and-autistic-people-have-in-common/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are most kids with Asperger's mainstreamed? What differentiates those who are mainstreamed versus those who are not? I assume some of them are profoundly gifted so they may do better in a gifted program that does or does not also cater to kids with SN but what about those with average cognitive abilities? Where do they end up?

Well you would assume wrong.

For people with autism, "About 40 percent have average to above average intellectual abilities..."
http://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism

Which is keeping with the general population...
http://www.edublox.com/iq-test/iq04.htm

Giftedness is more than just IQ in any case.

Anonymous wrote:Our HFA kid attended Kathryn Thomas School for K & 1st grade, then we moved DC to be mainstreamed in small privates without any sort of shadow thereafter. Not everyone agreed with our decision to place DC in a self-contained sp. ed environment originally, but I never doubt that it was the right decision at the time for our child and DC has turned out to be a really wonderful, bright, and surprisingly empathetic, person.

Our experience very similar, sans the official diagnosis. KTS, left after first grade, successfully mainstreamed, now successful, bright, empathetic.

Anonymous wrote:Are most kids with Asperger's mainstreamed? What differentiates those who are mainstreamed versus those who are not? I assume some of them are profoundly gifted so they may do better in a gifted program that does or does not also cater to kids with SN but what about those with average cognitive abilities? Where do they end up?

Well you would assume wrong.

For people with autism, "About 40 percent have average to above average intellectual abilities..."
http://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism

Which is keeping with the general population...
http://www.edublox.com/iq-test/iq04.htm

Giftedness is more than just IQ in any case.

We went private until we hit the high school years, then our Aspie did FCPS high school with an IEP. Team taught, not contained. It worked well but lots of struggle with too much homework and now that DS is in college it is clear that he does not know how to write a paper.

Our HFA kid attended Kathryn Thomas School for K & 1st grade, then we moved DC to be mainstreamed in small privates without any sort of shadow thereafter. Not everyone agreed with our decision to place DC in a self-contained sp. ed environment originally, but I never doubt that it was the right decision at the time for our child and DC has turned out to be a really wonderful, bright, and surprisingly empathetic, person.

No. It was a disaster for our DS (IMO, inflexible elementary school leadership had a huge role in this).

DS attends Ivymount's Model Asperger Program and could not be more happy. Agree with a pp, that cannot generalize "kids with AS." What works for some does not work for others.

OP here. Thanks to PPs! Had heard a lot about the 2e program from friends with kids with Aspergers and and about the dedicated special programs at some of the other elementaries but haven't really met other parents with kids at their home schools.

Just starting the process and am confused. We don't think DC meets the IQ requirements for 2e but is certainly cognitively able to handle the academics at a mainstream classroom. It feels a bit lonely but it's probably because all those kids are doing really well with or without IEPs and it's not really something parents talk about casually and would be well-known, right?

They end up mainstreamed, op. Just like neurotypical kids.

Why do you ask?

My kid with ASD/Asperger's is mainstreamed with an IEP in 2nd grade. He was diagnosed in preK4. Attends an immersion language school since preK4. Has a sky high IQ. Does well academically and socially with supports. Has an IEP for social/communication issues. Gets OT and ST for pragmatics for 1 hr, once a wk. Has a bilingual Sp Ed teacher in an inclusive classroom who helps him as needed.

DS was described as "classic Aspergers" by his developmental pediatrician but looks/acts NT - you couldn't tell whether he has any diagnosis at all: Basically just like his father and grandfather.


I don't think you can generalize thus the saying, "If you met one kid with Aspergers, you've met one kid with Aspergers."

I think Moco still uses the term to describe one of their autism programs that is more ASD kids who have average to high IQs.

Asperger's syndrome is no longer a diagnostic label in the DSM-5. It is still floating around as a concept, though, and is used as a short hand to describe a certain kind of kid with an ASD: normal to high IQ, good expressive speech, good receptive speech, poor pragmatic speech, poor social skills. They tend to have somewhat rigid personalities and may have preservative interests. They may also have some sensory processing issues.

Anonymous wrote:Are most kids with Asperger's mainstreamed? What differentiates those who are mainstreamed versus those who are not? I assume some of them are profoundly gifted so they may do better in a gifted program that does or does not also cater to kids with SN but what about those with average cognitive abilities? Where do they end up?

I thought there was no Asbergers anymore? They did away with that diagnosis/label?

My kid is mainstreamed. He received 30 minutes of ST 3X per week in grade school. He had a 15 minute break during the day to visit the SPED resource room and do an activity of his choice. (He mostly sat on a bean bag and read and talked to the SPED teacher.) He had permission to use pen (because of his processing issue with pencil lead being scratchy on paper and insisting that it be perfectly sharp. The constant sharpening was driving his teacher nuts.) He was allowed to walk around and stretch in the classroom. He had a social skills group at lunch once a week.

He is currently in middle school. He has all regular classes. He seeks his ST once a week for a social skills group. He is in a supported class with an aide for most (regular) classes, but is in honors math and honors science. The aide helps him and the ADHD kids get their stuff together.

Are most kids with Asperger's mainstreamed? What differentiates those who are mainstreamed versus those who are not? I assume some of them are profoundly gifted so they may do better in a gifted program that does or does not also cater to kids with SN but what about those with average cognitive abilities? Where do they end up?