jsteele
09/10/2014 08:34
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Anonymous wrote:Multiple poster here again.
Did Muslim OP report this again? Or are you here today on your own initiative?
I don't buy your arguments that people are "singling out" Islam. Yes, I've read your arguments, and I find them unconvincing.
1. Responding to OP's ceaseless posts on Islam means many of us have to make ceaseless responses. Why is that "singling out" Islam?
2. DCUM is open season on Christians, Jews and atheism. Islam is "singled out" much less than these other faiths and much less than atheism. True, many of us don't bother reporting to you, but that's because we've tried in the past (I've tried in the past) and you don't seem to care. But again it's math: you simply can't argue that Islam is singled out more than Christianity, Judaism or atheism.
It sounds like you actually have a problem with people pointing out the Muslim poster's many factual inaccuracies. I'm not talking about her right to her own personal Islam, and of course she has a right to her own personal Islam. I'm talking about when she's been shown to go against the Quran, or against her own links to BBC sites, on the subject of freeing concubines or immigrants or other things. Worse, she doesn't represent her position as simply her own personal Islam, but she represents it as being all of Islam, as if al Ashar and Sistani were getting Islam all wrong. If you think that's OK well then that's your lookout, but the rest of us find it problematic.
Yes, I have a problem with her posting conversion materials. So shoot me.
You are literally the most butthurt poster I've ever encountered. I hate to see this thread hijacked, but you are really getting ridiculous. I didn't say anything about "singling out Islam". What are you talking about? I commented that after making four consecutive posts, you accused the OP of having a mission. Can you not see the irony of your statement? That has nothing to do with whether or not you were "pointing out the Muslim poster's many factual inaccuracies." What was inaccurate in the OP's post anyway? Was there not a poster in another thread interested in why some convert to Islam? Is Islam actually for everyone? Is the scholar in the video not a convert to Islam? Is the video actually 57 minutes long instead of 56? It's just not clear to me what inaccuracy you were trying to correct in your four posts.
But, I guess we can take your final statement as confirmation that you do have a mission.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 08:27
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Anonymous wrote:I don't know but white women in hijabs always look ridiculous. I've seen some video blogs on you tube and they always seem to have low confidence and low income. It's a way to seek attention and feel that they belong somewhere.
That's not very nice of you. Besides, lots of native Muslims are white.
- The educated kaffirah
Anonymous
09/10/2014 08:26
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Multiple poster here again.
Did Muslim OP report this again? Or are you here today on your own initiative?
I don't buy your arguments that people are "singling out" Islam. Yes, I've read your arguments, and I find them unconvincing.
1. Responding to OP's ceaseless posts on Islam means many of us have to make ceaseless responses. Why is that "singling out" Islam?
2. DCUM is open season on Christians, Jews and atheism. Islam is "singled out" much less than these other faiths and much less than atheism. True, many of us don't bother reporting to you, but that's because we've tried in the past (I've tried in the past) and you don't seem to care. But again it's math: you simply can't argue that Islam is singled out more than Christianity, Judaism or atheism.
It sounds like you actually have a problem with people pointing out the Muslim poster's many factual inaccuracies. I'm not talking about her right to her own personal Islam, and of course she has a right to her own personal Islam. I'm talking about when she's been shown to go against the Quran, or against her own links to BBC sites, on the subject of freeing concubines or immigrants or other things. Worse, she doesn't represent her position as simply her own personal Islam, but she represents it as being all of Islam, as if al Ashar and Sistani were getting Islam all wrong. If you think that's OK well then that's your lookout, but the rest of us find it problematic.
Yes, I have a problem with her posting conversion materials. So shoot me.
Did Muslim OP report this again? Or are you here today on your own initiative?
I don't buy your arguments that people are "singling out" Islam. Yes, I've read your arguments, and I find them unconvincing.
1. Responding to OP's ceaseless posts on Islam means many of us have to make ceaseless responses. Why is that "singling out" Islam?
2. DCUM is open season on Christians, Jews and atheism. Islam is "singled out" much less than these other faiths and much less than atheism. True, many of us don't bother reporting to you, but that's because we've tried in the past (I've tried in the past) and you don't seem to care. But again it's math: you simply can't argue that Islam is singled out more than Christianity, Judaism or atheism.
It sounds like you actually have a problem with people pointing out the Muslim poster's many factual inaccuracies. I'm not talking about her right to her own personal Islam, and of course she has a right to her own personal Islam. I'm talking about when she's been shown to go against the Quran, or against her own links to BBC sites, on the subject of freeing concubines or immigrants or other things. Worse, she doesn't represent her position as simply her own personal Islam, but she represents it as being all of Islam, as if al Ashar and Sistani were getting Islam all wrong. If you think that's OK well then that's your lookout, but the rest of us find it problematic.
Yes, I have a problem with her posting conversion materials. So shoot me.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 08:26
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When I lived in Europe, I saw it a lot: North African or other Muslims would court women with lots of talk about how they weren't strict Muslims, they liked their glass of wine and they would never follow Muslim rules re marriage roles. Then after the marriage, when the children arrive, suddenly she's married to a completely different guy.
One of my best friends was a secular Algerian berber, though.
I can't comprehend how and why a woman from a free country would convert to Islam.
Men? Sure.
Women? Incomprehensable.
Look, many women convert to become acceptable to families of Muslim boyfriends. There's nothing wrong with that. Some convert because they are attracted to the idea of cohesion, being taken care of, etc etc. If men in your family are supportive, Islam is not bad. I would never convert but I wouldn't knock those who do.
jsteele
09/10/2014 08:19
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dawah: the proselytizing or preaching of Islam
OP's definitely on a mission here!
OP posted one post whereas you posted four. I think we know who is on a mission.
Sorry if I was posting from an iPad, that made it hard to combine everything. Now that I'm on the laptop it's going better.
You'd be more consistent if you criticized OP for being on here 24-7.
Also, I'm baffled why you think it's OK for OP to post links to proselytizing sites, but you have a problem with me linking to al Hirsi. Why?
I have a problem with your martyrdom complex. Where did I ever say that I had a problem with you linking to anything? I just pointed out the irony of your posting four consecutive posts and then accusing the OP of having a mission.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 08:16
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dawah: the proselytizing or preaching of Islam
OP's definitely on a mission here!
OP posted one post whereas you posted four. I think we know who is on a mission.
Sorry if I was posting from an iPad, that made it hard to combine everything. Now that I'm on the laptop it's going better.
You'd be more consistent if you criticized OP for being on here 24-7.
Also, I'm baffled why you think it's OK for OP to post links to proselytizing sites, but you have a problem with me linking to al Hirsi. Why?
Anonymous
09/10/2014 08:16
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Anonymous wrote:When I lived in Europe, I saw it a lot: North African or other Muslims would court women with lots of talk about how they weren't strict Muslims, they liked their glass of wine and they would never follow Muslim rules re marriage roles. Then after the marriage, when the children arrive, suddenly she's married to a completely different guy.
One of my best friends was a secular Algerian berber, though.
I can't comprehend how and why a woman from a free country would convert to Islam.
Men? Sure.
Women? Incomprehensable.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 08:13
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
When I lived in Europe, I saw it a lot: North African or other Muslims would court women with lots of talk about how they weren't strict Muslims, they liked their glass of wine and they would never follow Muslim rules re marriage roles. Then after the marriage, when the children arrive, suddenly she's married to a completely different guy.
One of my best friends was a secular Algerian berber, though.
One of my best friends was a secular Algerian berber, though.
jsteele
09/10/2014 08:11
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Anonymous wrote:Dawah: the proselytizing or preaching of Islam
OP's definitely on a mission here!
OP posted one post whereas you posted four. I think we know who is on a mission.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 08:07
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
I don't know but white women in hijabs always look ridiculous. I've seen some video blogs on you tube and they always seem to have low confidence and low income. It's a way to seek attention and feel that they belong somewhere.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 07:53
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Dawah: the proselytizing or preaching of Islam
OP's definitely on a mission here!
OP's definitely on a mission here!
Anonymous
09/10/2014 07:47
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
From a lesbian Muslim: http://www.amazon.com/The-Trouble-Islam-Today-Muslims/dp/0312327005/ref=pd_cp_mov_0
From a Danish immigrant and legislator: http://www.amazon.com/Infidel-Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali/dp/0743289692/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_y
From a Danish immigrant and legislator: http://www.amazon.com/Infidel-Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali/dp/0743289692/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_y
Anonymous
09/10/2014 07:05
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
For balance:
http://formermuslimsunited.org/apostasy-from-islam/
Www.amazon.com/Leaving-Islam-Apostates-Speak-Out/dp/1591020689
Anybody who wants to proselytize about their own religion or atheism should feel free to follow OP's example and post their own links to their religions' proselytizing sites.
http://formermuslimsunited.org/apostasy-from-islam/
Www.amazon.com/Leaving-Islam-Apostates-Speak-Out/dp/1591020689
Anybody who wants to proselytize about their own religion or atheism should feel free to follow OP's example and post their own links to their religions' proselytizing sites.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 06:49
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
What I want to know is, why the absolute obsession--your own and elsewhere in Islam--with converting Christians in particular?
You visit evangelical sites that nobody else here would ever think of visiting. You post multiple links to evangelical statements on Islam.
You hurl your go-to epithet, Christian-Evangelical-Racist-Islamophobe, at atheists, Hindus, and Jews equally. It's like no other religion even exists.
You keep insisting on things that are flat-out wrong about what Christians supposedly believe. For example, you keep insisting that Christianity endorses concubines (it forbids them) or that Christians pray to saints like the saints are additional demi-gods or something (no, that's ridiculous).
Weird. Your obsession speaks of massive insecurity.
You visit evangelical sites that nobody else here would ever think of visiting. You post multiple links to evangelical statements on Islam.
You hurl your go-to epithet, Christian-Evangelical-Racist-Islamophobe, at atheists, Hindus, and Jews equally. It's like no other religion even exists.
You keep insisting on things that are flat-out wrong about what Christians supposedly believe. For example, you keep insisting that Christianity endorses concubines (it forbids them) or that Christians pray to saints like the saints are additional demi-gods or something (no, that's ridiculous).
Weird. Your obsession speaks of massive insecurity.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 03:06
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
A poster on a different thread was interested in why some convert to Islam. Islam is not for everyone. I believe there are many ways to God, including Christianity and Judaism. However here is a Muslim scholar who converted from Christianity to Islam and his explanation. It's about 56 min long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAPdXDlLdXk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAPdXDlLdXk