Anonymous wrote:So assuming top 5/top 10 percenters are getting accepted at the Ivy League, MIT, Stanford and the like. Which prestigious colleges have you observed the "second tier" students enrolling?

I think it's the top 1% at Ivy's and then the next top 10% at the schools listed here.

^^there WEREN'T enough slots

Anonymous wrote:The top 5% - 10% of the high school graduating class? I don't have the national numbers but you must know that this exceeds the number of freshman slots at Ivies, Stanford, MIT.

Yes, this. And this isn't news--30 years ago there were the enough slots at the Ivies, Stanford, MIT, to hold the top 5-10 percent.

Thirty years ago, at my small high school, the top student (representing the top 1.5% of the class) went to Harvard. The rest of the top 10% went to Villanova, UVA, BC, Rochester, UVM, Art Institute of Chicago, etc.

Anonymous wrote:Only second-tier people and Asians obsess about first-tier colleges.

Do you think they get that (materialism) from Americans and other the Western countries since Korean was split during the Korean War, Japan lost to us in WWII and communist China wasn't really going anywhere without the self-motivated greed that is commercialism? And Hong Kong, which had been controlled by the British, was a booming economic success. So they adopted our values and one way to get ahead is through school.

Only second-tier people and Asians obsess about first-tier colleges.

This tier stuff is for the birds. Chicago is no second tier school.

The top 10% go to the flag ship state schools in their state and second tier privates (1st tier noted below). The top 10%-20% go to flagship schools out of state. At least that is how it seems to work in northern Virginia. As a pp noted, the top .5% go to the Ivies and MIT, Williams, Stanford, Amherst...

The second tier privates are one like seven sisters, Vanderbilt, U of Chicago, Colby, Bowdoin, Carleton, Rice.... too numerous to name.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA, UNC, Michigan, Williams, Notre Dame, Northwestern

The schools that the OP listed are not the top 5 - 10%. They're more like the top .5%. These schools are still very very much part of top tier by the definition that the OP gave (top 5 - 10%).

My DC was top 5% of his graduating class (at a top public school) and PSAT/SAT scores. He attends one of these. Was WL/denied at 2 of them.

The top 5% - 10% of the high school graduating class? I don't have the national numbers but you must know that this exceeds the number of freshman slots at Ivies, Stanford, MIT.

Why do you ask?

Anonymous wrote:So assuming top 5/top 10 percenters are getting accepted at the Ivy League, MIT, Stanford and the like. Which prestigious colleges have you observed the "second tier" students enrolling?

Top tier is now about .5% for Ivies/Stanford. Gotten a lot harder.

Anonymous wrote:UVA, UNC, Michigan, Williams, Notre Dame, Northwestern

The schools that the OP listed are not the top 5 - 10%. They're more like the top .5%. These schools are still very very much part of top tier by the definition that the OP gave (top 5 - 10%).

USNEWS lays it all out. Top 40-50 considered prestigious.

I'd say the top 15 SLACS also prestigious.

New USNEWS rankings out soon.

Penn State (ranked in the 30s).

UVA, UNC, Michigan, Williams, Notre Dame, Northwestern

So assuming top 5/top 10 percenters are getting accepted at the Ivy League, MIT, Stanford and the like. Which prestigious colleges have you observed the "second tier" students enrolling?