Anonymous wrote:You really can't get worked up over another ridiculous ranking.

Guess you only like the mostly subjective criteria based rankings like the US News rankings.

You really can't get worked up over another ridiculous ranking.

UMD with the brilliant move to the Big 10 and the CIC is on a rocket ship upward . If they decide to merge in the medical and law schools like almost everybody else UMD is a top 5 research institution.

Harvard is best known for their law and business schools more so than engineering, computer science or applied math (STEM) rather and humanities and it is consistently ranked 1st. Similar to UVA in their general focus so UVA should't complain.

UVA has good law, business schools and may be a decent history department but everything else is average or above average. Maryland has more programs that are in top 25 overall than UVA especially in science, engineering, computer science and math.

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Anonymous wrote:doesn't make sense, look at Dartmouth

Oh, I see what you're saying now. Yeah, it's the matter of research output and size. Dartmouth is the smallest Ivy, and only had PhD programs in a lot of fields since the 60s.

LOL, CalTech is much smaller than Dartmouth and it's ranked very highly even though they are definitely disadvantaged for Nobel prizes such as for literature, peace and economics.

They do have Nobel prizes for "Literature", "Economics" and "Peace" which are definitely non-physical sciences. Math award (Field Medal) should be considered since Nobel doesn't award for math.

Anonymous wrote:doesn't make sense, look at Dartmouth

It seems more objective and logical than USNews ranking methodology.

Indicators and Weights for ARWU

Criteria Indicator Code Weight

Quality of Education Alumni of an institution winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals Alumni 10%
Quality of Faculty Staff of an institution winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals Award 20%
Highly cited researchers in 21 broad subject categories HiCi 20%
Research Output Papers published in Nature and Science* N&S 20%
Papers indexed in Science Citation Index-expanded and Social Science Citation Index PUB 20%
Per Capita Performance Per capita academic performance of an institution PCP 10%
Total 100%

* For institutions specialized in humanities and social sciences such as London School of Economics, N&S is not considered, and the weight of N&S is relocated to other indicators.

Anonymous wrote:doesn't make sense, look at Dartmouth

Oh, I see what you're saying now. Yeah, it's the matter of research output and size. Dartmouth is the smallest Ivy, and only had PhD programs in a lot of fields since the 60s.

LOL GMU beats Virginia Tech

But I notice that a lot of data is missing for each

151-200 George Mason University
201-300 Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University

Did you look at methodology? It isn't about academic outcomes for students, teacher student ratios, scores, etc.

It's about the number of Nobel prices earned by alumni (massive outliers and favors science over other disciplines) and Nobel prices/Field medels for professors.

Then published papers in top journals. This might be somewhat relevant if discussing graduate school programs. UVA is really a top grad program in Law, not scientific research so that really isn't surprising...

Additionally, I don't see them scaling anything, so this will favor large universities, right?

doesn't make sense, look at Dartmouth

Georgetown University is ranked between 301 and 400. Ouch.

VATech is ranked between 201 and 300.

UMD is ranked 43rd and UVA doesn't make the top 100!

http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2014.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/world/asia/harvard-keeps-top-spot-in-global-university-ranking.html?ref=education