Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...and Deal beats all Charters, not all other charters.

Deal didn't score "a lot better" than Basis. Deal came in only a few points higher on reading and was actually one point lower than Basis on math. But consider also that Deal has a very different demographic - mostly Ward 3 high-SES white, and they manage to keep out a huge number of FARMS students. Basis on the other hand has a much more diverse student body drawing from all across the city, with twice the percentage of FARMS students, to the point of qualifying as Title I. Deal also has more resources and funding per student than Basis. Yet Basis, as promised, still did quite well - I wouldn't at all be surprised if their scores surpass Deal's next year. Also, unlike most DCPS schools, Basis does not spend anywhere near as much time working on DC-CAS test prep. Their philosophy is to have a strong curriculum in the first place, rather than teaching to the test the way DCPS does.

When you make up stuff to support your argument even though it's easy to fact check and prove you wrong, you recklessly undermine your stance. It could lead everyone to ignore your larger point, that BASIS is a quality place. That would be a shame.

Deal is majority minority -- not "mostly white." In fact (and this will be galling to you, but it's true), the "pie chart of ALL races" is more balanced at Deal than at BASIS. Deal is more "diverse." This is a fact.

Not only does Deal draw inbounds from Ward 2 and 4, along with ward 3 -- it's 31% OOB. One in three kids lives nowhere near ward 3.

Deal = 21% FARMS -- 262 poor kids -- to BASIS's 40% FARMS, or 177 poor kids. Just sayin. Your protestation that Deal is so,so rich and BASIS is so Title I is not so compelling when you look at butts in seats.

Both schools provide a solid education. Your notion that BASIS does it with two arms tied behind its back, however, is full if shit. We haven't even touched on the deluge of **private**, national funding that fleshes out the big budget of BASIS.

Anonymous wrote:...and Deal beats all Charters, not all other charters.

Deal didn't score "a lot better" than Basis. Deal came in only a few points higher on reading and was actually one point lower than Basis on math. But consider also that Deal has a very different demographic - mostly Ward 3 high-SES white, and they manage to keep out a huge number of FARMS students. Basis on the other hand has a much more diverse student body drawing from all across the city, with twice the percentage of FARMS students, to the point of qualifying as Title I. Deal also has more resources and funding per student than Basis. Yet Basis, as promised, still did quite well - I wouldn't at all be surprised if their scores surpass Deal's next year. Also, unlike most DCPS schools, Basis does not spend anywhere near as much time working on DC-CAS test prep. Their philosophy is to have a strong curriculum in the first place, rather than teaching to the test the way DCPS does.

Anonymous wrote:Actually, I am not a Basis basher-I have a child there AND at another area MS. Basis did well but did not blow DCPS out of the water. The metrics do not lie, and it is an accellerated program, so anything less that high scores indicates failure of their mission.

It blew most of DCPS out of the water. Not all of us have access to Deal or Hardy, and the average DCPS did significantly worse than BASIS.

Actually, I am not a Basis basher-I have a child there AND at another area MS. Basis did well but did not blow DCPS out of the water. The metrics do not lie, and it is an accellerated program, so anything less that high scores indicates failure of their mission.

15:47 here. I was responding to a poster who said that BASIS didn't blow DCPS out of the water. 16:16, Deal is just one school. The comparison was BASIS vs. DCPS. 16:20, that is completely unrelated to the subject, and is just changing the context of an argument you're losing. Is this the best BASIS bashers can come up with?

We all know middle schools in dc are subpar, it doesn't mean that Basis is great, just great in comparison to a city's failed group of schools-not a convincing argument.

...and Deal beats all Charters, not all other charters.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting site, but it's comparing year to year, different cohorts. It would be interesting if we could cohort data in particular schools. Of course that would also be compromised in the upper grades where our public school 4th graders leave to attend 5th grade charters.

www.learndc.org/schoolprofiles/search

this has the subgroup data school by school vs DC as a whole by grade, by racial group, and by SES.

It is cllckable on the school by school thread, and it is extremely helpful to me because it shows that BASIS DC actually has a lot of advanced students, including Hispanics, and that we blow DC out of the water in almost every subgroup..... whether the DC CAS matters is another issue, but they also have the NAEP...

People seem to forget that at BASIS DC we are a Title I school, and have been for the two years we have existed, meaning over 40% of our kids qualify for FARMS and if you look at the ethnic composition it is very diverse except that it has few white students...........

so I would say that given our population and that BASIS does not teach to the test, we are doing really well compared to DCPS, especially in terms of Hispanic students (which is the group my kids fit into). But like you, I really wanted to see the breakdowns and they have all of them.

Happy hunting!

Deal has a lot better scores than Basis-how is Basis blowing dcps out of the water?

Deal is one of many DCPS middle schools. Basis beats all other DCPS middle school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting site, but it's comparing year to year, different cohorts. It would be interesting if we could cohort data in particular schools. Of course that would also be compromised in the upper grades where our public school 4th graders leave to attend 5th grade charters.

www.learndc.org/schoolprofiles/search

this has the subgroup data school by school vs DC as a whole by grade, by racial group, and by SES.

It is cllckable on the school by school thread, and it is extremely helpful to me because it shows that BASIS DC actually has a lot of advanced students, including Hispanics, and that we blow DC out of the water in almost every subgroup..... whether the DC CAS matters is another issue, but they also have the NAEP...

People seem to forget that at BASIS DC we are a Title I school, and have been for the two years we have existed, meaning over 40% of our kids qualify for FARMS and if you look at the ethnic composition it is very diverse except that it has few white students...........

so I would say that given our population and that BASIS does not teach to the test, we are doing really well compared to DCPS, especially in terms of Hispanic students (which is the group my kids fit into). But like you, I really wanted to see the breakdowns and they have all of them.

Happy hunting!

Deal has a lot better scores than Basis-how is Basis blowing dcps out of the water?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting site, but it's comparing year to year, different cohorts. It would be interesting if we could cohort data in particular schools. Of course that would also be compromised in the upper grades where our public school 4th graders leave to attend 5th grade charters.

www.learndc.org/schoolprofiles/search

this has the subgroup data school by school vs DC as a whole by grade, by racial group, and by SES.

It is cllckable on the school by school thread, and it is extremely helpful to me because it shows that BASIS DC actually has a lot of advanced students, including Hispanics, and that we blow DC out of the water in almost every subgroup..... whether the DC CAS matters is another issue, but they also have the NAEP...

People seem to forget that at BASIS DC we are a Title I school, and have been for the two years we have existed, meaning over 40% of our kids qualify for FARMS and if you look at the ethnic composition it is very diverse except that it has few white students...........

so I would say that given our population and that BASIS does not teach to the test, we are doing really well compared to DCPS, especially in terms of Hispanic students (which is the group my kids fit into). But like you, I really wanted to see the breakdowns and they have all of them.

Happy hunting!

I don't see any way to compare cohorts. Am I missing something?

Thank you op and 11:56.

This is why I return to DCUM, though I probably shouldn't

Anonymous wrote:Interesting site, but it's comparing year to year, different cohorts. It would be interesting if we could cohort data in particular schools. Of course that would also be compromised in the upper grades where our public school 4th graders leave to attend 5th grade charters.

www.learndc.org/schoolprofiles/search

this has the subgroup data school by school vs DC as a whole by grade, by racial group, and by SES.

It is cllckable on the school by school thread, and it is extremely helpful to me because it shows that BASIS DC actually has a lot of advanced students, including Hispanics, and that we blow DC out of the water in almost every subgroup..... whether the DC CAS matters is another issue, but they also have the NAEP...

People seem to forget that at BASIS DC we are a Title I school, and have been for the two years we have existed, meaning over 40% of our kids qualify for FARMS and if you look at the ethnic composition it is very diverse except that it has few white students...........

so I would say that given our population and that BASIS does not teach to the test, we are doing really well compared to DCPS, especially in terms of Hispanic students (which is the group my kids fit into). But like you, I really wanted to see the breakdowns and they have all of them.

Happy hunting!

I love you OP!!! It's a shame when you have to get valuable information from a blog. DCPS should have linked me to this site. I'm a DCPS teacher and have to look for DCPS school data from DCUM posters.

Interesting site, but it's comparing year to year, different cohorts. It would be interesting if we could cohort data in particular schools. Of course that would also be compromised in the upper grades where our public school 4th graders leave to attend 5th grade charters.

As someone posted in the other thread:

Subgroup data is up at learndc.org for each individual school in their "report card"