Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of women have sexist views of men and are either just as ignorant or just don't care.

It goes both ways.

Like what? Is it degrading views?

Men are pedophiles
Men are abusers
Men are dangerous
Men are creepy
Men are not as good as women at parenting
Men are idiots
Men should take care of women, keep women happy, protect them
Men shouldn't control but should be okay with being controlled
Men can't really be victims of rape or sexual assault or abuse
Men create their own problems, and should just deal with it.
Men aren't really victims of domestic violence - they are stronger
Men who express emotion or experience anxiety and depression are weak or needy or not taking responsibility for themselves

etc....

You forgot one. I find the forced feminization very offensive.

Men are pigs for having normal, male sexual interest and arousal, ie interest in looking at female features.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of women have sexist views of men and are either just as ignorant or just don't care.

It goes both ways.

Like what? Is it degrading views?

Yes, degrading views. There are really fucked up perceptions about masculinity. In both cases, many people can point to examples that back up their opinions and consider those opinions to be validated. I notice this especially in discussions of parenting and sex. It's generally assumed that men need women to teach them how to parent. When my first child was born, I didn't know anything more about raising children than my husband did. We learned together. It was always assumed that I was the expert and he was simply a student of mine, which was hardly the case. When it comes to discussions of men and sex, it's generally assumed that men are just all sex all the time. Little allowance is made for men who want to feel emotionally connected to their partners.

I think that the difference is that sexist opinions about women are more dangerous. Workplace discrimination still very much exists, as witnessed by the story earlier this month about the IBM executives talking about how they don't like hiring women because they'll just go get pregnant over and over. Sexual violence does happen to men, but not at anywhere near the rate it happens to women. Men are not generally targeted because of their gender - for street harassment, for violent crime, etc.

If there is one thing I learned during the #YesAllWomen fad earlier this summer, it's that many men are actually oblivious to the misogyny that pervades our culture. The converse is also true, though, in that it's often hard for women to understand and relate to men's experiences of discrimination.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of women have sexist views of men and are either just as ignorant or just don't care.

It goes both ways.

Like what? Is it degrading views?

An NP here. Just look at how many women (especially here on DCUM) talk about husbands/fathers. Although many men are poor partners in sharing household responsibilities, not all are and yet there are a lot of sexist stereotypes of fathers never helping with childcare, with husbands who don't help with household duties, with husbands who are big children and need their spouses to mother them. Despite the comments to the contrary posted by many here about how their spouses are not like the stereotypes, many women still stereotype and generalize about all men being like this.

It's been said by some male rights activists that men's role in the household is where women's roles in the office were some 30 years ago.

Anonymous wrote:My DH is generally socially progressive and feminist in plenty of ways. He's almost reactionary when it comes to birth control and women's (non-abortion) reproductive rights. We had extensive arguments about the recent Hobby Lobby decision. I realize these issues are complex, but he is not religious and definitely had premarital sex. I consider his views to be sexist. Abortion is obviously an ethically more complex issue so I am leaving that to the side when explaining his views.

That sounds so bizarre. Personal question, but do the two of you use contraception? If so, how would he react if you suggested stopping, and as a result either having a much larger family, or drastically restricting your sex life?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of women have sexist views of men and are either just as ignorant or just don't care.

It goes both ways.

Like what? Is it degrading views?

Men are pedophiles
Men are abusers
Men are dangerous
Men are creepy
Men are not as good as women at parenting
Men are idiots
Men should take care of women, keep women happy, protect them
Men shouldn't control but should be okay with being controlled
Men can't really be victims of rape or sexual assault or abuse
Men create their own problems, and should just deal with it.
Men aren't really victims of domestic violence - they are stronger
Men who express emotion or experience anxiety and depression are weak or needy or not taking responsibility for themselves

etc....

I love my views and no woman is ever going to tell me otherwise.

My DH is generally socially progressive and feminist in plenty of ways. He's almost reactionary when it comes to birth control and women's (non-abortion) reproductive rights. We had extensive arguments about the recent Hobby Lobby decision. I realize these issues are complex, but he is not religious and definitely had premarital sex. I consider his views to be sexist. Abortion is obviously an ethically more complex issue so I am leaving that to the side when explaining his views.

I think there's a spectrum, just as there is with racism. You have people with latent racism/sexism, who buy into deeply-rooted stereotypes (almost everyone in this category to some extent). And then you have your true bigots, those who have hatred toward an entire class of human beings. And a lot of people who are somewhere in the middle.

Anonymous wrote:Lots of women have sexist views of men and are either just as ignorant or just don't care.

It goes both ways.

Like what? Is it degrading views?

Lots of women have sexist views of men and are either just as ignorant or just don't care.

It goes both ways.

There is one guy at my work who calls younger women sweetly.

Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of men are genuinely ignorant. They just don't know any better.

That said, a lot of men are sexist to the point of being prideful about it.

But not all men are pridefully sexist or ignorant.

And some women are hypersensitive

I think a lot of men are genuinely ignorant. They just don't know any better.

That said, a lot of men are sexist to the point of being prideful about it.

But not all men are pridefully sexist or ignorant.

Probably depends on the person and their degree of sexism.

If a friend says something sexist about men, they seem to think they're saying something factual.

This may sound stupid, but are men with sexist views of women aware of it and just don't care? Or do they think everyone else is wrong?