Muslima
07/31/2014 10:08
Subject: Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what are some ways Israel can deal with the Palestinians, taking into consideration that they are not going to stop being violent toward Israel? I am a pacifist and I'm finding myself supporting Israel whole-heartedly because I believe the violent behavior of the Palestinians is unacceptable.
I admire non-violent struggle and change, which is usually done by the underdog. Since Israel is stronger, what non-violent means can they use to deal with the Palestinians, if they continue to launch rockets at them?
I admit I am uneducated and naive but i am asking sincerely. I'd like to hear what people like me think.
Your premise is wrong. They will stop being violent toward Israel when they have their independence. They are under occupation in WB and being starved out with blockades in Gaza.
But let me ask you this. Since the genesis of this conflict was the abduction and killing of three Israeli boys, which we now know to be the act of two people who are not directed by Hamas, what do you think of the Israeli response -- arresting 350 individuals, killing five Palestinians. They shut down entire towns, preventing people from going to work. By day 3 the Deputy Minister of Defense was already talking about military action in Gaza -- notably on the wrong side of the country if you are looking for kidnappers. Charitable organizations were raided, and after eight days the first West Bank resistance began, which was in the form of resisting the military.
Do you think that this is an appropriate response to a triple homicide? To me it looks like collective punishment and a deliberate attempt to provoke a response.
According to this video, Hamas doesn't intend to stop until they kill all the Jews: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/30/Hamas-TV-Muslims-to-exterminate-the-Jews
And on the other end, you have a member of the israeli parlament who said : "They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," Shaked said, adding, "They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.” "Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there."
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mothers/
So, I guess unless jews and arabs kill themselves to extermination, we won't have peace
Anonymous
07/31/2014 10:07
Subject: Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what are some ways Israel can deal with the Palestinians, taking into consideration that they are not going to stop being violent toward Israel? I am a pacifist and I'm finding myself supporting Israel whole-heartedly because I believe the violent behavior of the Palestinians is unacceptable.
I admire non-violent struggle and change, which is usually done by the underdog. Since Israel is stronger, what non-violent means can they use to deal with the Palestinians, if they continue to launch rockets at them?
I admit I am uneducated and naive but i am asking sincerely. I'd like to hear what people like me think.
Your premise is wrong. They will stop being violent toward Israel when they have their independence. They are under occupation in WB and being starved out with blockades in Gaza.
But let me ask you this. Since the genesis of this conflict was the abduction and killing of three Israeli boys, which we now know to be the act of two people who are not directed by Hamas, what do you think of the Israeli response -- arresting 350 individuals, killing five Palestinians. They shut down entire towns, preventing people from going to work. By day 3 the Deputy Minister of Defense was already talking about military action in Gaza -- notably on the wrong side of the country if you are looking for kidnappers. Charitable organizations were raided, and after eight days the first West Bank resistance began, which was in the form of resisting the military.
Do you think that this is an appropriate response to a triple homicide? To me it looks like collective punishment and a deliberate attempt to provoke a response.
According to this video, Hamas doesn't intend to stop until they kill all the Jews: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/30/Hamas-TV-Muslims-to-exterminate-the-Jews
Hamas is not all Palestinians.
Anonymous
07/31/2014 10:06
Subject: Re:Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Weren't those areas from other Arab countries that planned on conquering Israel in 1967? Seems similar to Germany losing land after WWII. To the winners go the spoils.
What land did Germany lose after WWII?
It was divided up. East and West.
Anonymous
07/31/2014 09:47
Subject: Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what are some ways Israel can deal with the Palestinians, taking into consideration that they are not going to stop being violent toward Israel? I am a pacifist and I'm finding myself supporting Israel whole-heartedly because I believe the violent behavior of the Palestinians is unacceptable.
I admire non-violent struggle and change, which is usually done by the underdog. Since Israel is stronger, what non-violent means can they use to deal with the Palestinians, if they continue to launch rockets at them?
I admit I am uneducated and naive but i am asking sincerely. I'd like to hear what people like me think.
Your premise is wrong. They will stop being violent toward Israel when they have their independence. They are under occupation in WB and being starved out with blockades in Gaza.
But let me ask you this. Since the genesis of this conflict was the abduction and killing of three Israeli boys, which we now know to be the act of two people who are not directed by Hamas, what do you think of the Israeli response -- arresting 350 individuals, killing five Palestinians. They shut down entire towns, preventing people from going to work. By day 3 the Deputy Minister of Defense was already talking about military action in Gaza -- notably on the wrong side of the country if you are looking for kidnappers. Charitable organizations were raided, and after eight days the first West Bank resistance began, which was in the form of resisting the military.
Do you think that this is an appropriate response to a triple homicide? To me it looks like collective punishment and a deliberate attempt to provoke a response.
According to this video, Hamas doesn't intend to stop until they kill all the Jews: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/30/Hamas-TV-Muslims-to-exterminate-the-Jews
Anonymous
07/31/2014 09:30
Subject: Re:Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
Anonymous wrote:Weren't those areas from other Arab countries that planned on conquering Israel in 1967? Seems similar to Germany losing land after WWII. To the winners go the spoils.
What land did Germany lose after WWII?
Anonymous
07/31/2014 00:07
Subject: Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
Anonymous wrote:what are some ways Israel can deal with the Palestinians, taking into consideration that they are not going to stop being violent toward Israel? I am a pacifist and I'm finding myself supporting Israel whole-heartedly because I believe the violent behavior of the Palestinians is unacceptable.
I admire non-violent struggle and change, which is usually done by the underdog. Since Israel is stronger, what non-violent means can they use to deal with the Palestinians, if they continue to launch rockets at them?
I admit I am uneducated and naive but i am asking sincerely. I'd like to hear what people like me think.
Your premise is wrong. They will stop being violent toward Israel when they have their independence. They are under occupation in WB and being starved out with blockades in Gaza.
But let me ask you this. Since the genesis of this conflict was the abduction and killing of three Israeli boys, which we now know to be the act of two people who are not directed by Hamas, what do you think of the Israeli response -- arresting 350 individuals, killing five Palestinians. They shut down entire towns, preventing people from going to work. By day 3 the Deputy Minister of Defense was already talking about military action in Gaza -- notably on the wrong side of the country if you are looking for kidnappers. Charitable organizations were raided, and after eight days the first West Bank resistance began, which was in the form of resisting the military.
Do you think that this is an appropriate response to a triple homicide? To me it looks like collective punishment and a deliberate attempt to provoke a response.
Anonymous
07/30/2014 23:56
Subject: Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
What Israel is doing, essentially (sorry for another analogy) is shooting fish in a barrel. They are blowing a captive population, located in what is basically an open air prison, to smithereens. This is why it is so disgusting to people and getting more attention than Syria, Iraq, etc. People in Gaza have nowhere to go, no one to help them, no real military option.
So, given this, I don't really understand the OP's comment about Palestinian "behavior." Palestinians in both the West Bank and Gaza are victims of an illegal and immoral occupation. That's really bad Israeli "behavior," if you ask me.
So, given this, I don't really understand the OP's comment about Palestinian "behavior." Palestinians in both the West Bank and Gaza are victims of an illegal and immoral occupation. That's really bad Israeli "behavior," if you ask me.
Anonymous
07/30/2014 23:51
Subject: Re:Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
Anonymous wrote:Weren't those areas from other Arab countries that planned on conquering Israel in 1967? Seems similar to Germany losing land after WWII. To the winners go the spoils.
Uh, no, that is not the situation. Sorry, that is just incorrect. Please state your sources for this information.
Anonymous
07/30/2014 23:43
Subject: Re:Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
Weren't those areas from other Arab countries that planned on conquering Israel in 1967? Seems similar to Germany losing land after WWII. To the winners go the spoils.
Muslima
07/30/2014 23:39
Subject: Re:Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
Anonymous wrote:Muslima's position is that Israel is illegally occupying Palestine and needs to give back all of its land. Not sure if she feels that U.S.A needs to return this land to the Native Americans.
Israel is a legal state, but only within the borders allotted to it by the United Nations – the Pre-1967 borders, which existed before Israel started eating away, through terror, colonization, and annexation, at the areas reserved by the United Nations for Palestinians, as well as areas of other countries, such as Syria (the Golan Heights).
Anonymous
07/30/2014 23:20
Subject: Re:Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
Muslima's position is that Israel is illegally occupying Palestine and needs to give back all of its land. Not sure if she feels that U.S.A needs to return this land to the Native Americans.
Anonymous
07/30/2014 23:16
Subject: Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
Muslima wrote:If you come to my house and I throw a rocket at you, the non-violent solution would be for you to leave my house and go home......
What if you live next door to me and throw rocks at me every time I leave the house and run to my car?
Anyway, I can read your posts all over this forum. I'm asking for someone else's input, i.e., a real response to my question.
Anonymous
07/30/2014 21:24
Subject: Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
Use their ground penetrating radar to detect tunnels and the destroy them?
Muslima
07/30/2014 21:19
Subject: Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
If you come to my house and I throw a rocket at you, the non-violent solution would be for you to leave my house and go home......
Anonymous
07/30/2014 21:09
Subject: Non-violent solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflcit
what are some ways Israel can deal with the Palestinians, taking into consideration that they are not going to stop being violent toward Israel? I am a pacifist and I'm finding myself supporting Israel whole-heartedly because I believe the violent behavior of the Palestinians is unacceptable.
I admire non-violent struggle and change, which is usually done by the underdog. Since Israel is stronger, what non-violent means can they use to deal with the Palestinians, if they continue to launch rockets at them?
I admit I am uneducated and naive but i am asking sincerely. I'd like to hear what people like me think.
I admire non-violent struggle and change, which is usually done by the underdog. Since Israel is stronger, what non-violent means can they use to deal with the Palestinians, if they continue to launch rockets at them?
I admit I am uneducated and naive but i am asking sincerely. I'd like to hear what people like me think.