Anonymous
07/29/2014 15:32
Subject: Re:Who do you think is right?
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Both sides think they are right. The question could be debated for centuries and not settled. But, ask yourself, "who is doing the killing?"
Then, ask yourself how to justify the killing of over 1,000 people, most of whom are civilians. You will hear a lot about who is to blame, but who is doing the killing?
It is not Hamas' fault that Iron Dome shoots down missiles. If it wasn't for Israel investing in that system, the killing would probably be equal.
Do you really believe that? The Israelis say that Iron Dome is 90% effective (I believe this to be a gross exaggeration). That means that 10 percent of the rockets are getting through. So, the number of Israelis killed should be 10% of the number of Palestinians killed. Yet, the number is .03%. There is no justification for the killing that the Israelis are doing.
That's 4% (40/1000) actually, and if Iron Dome focuses on populated areas, which it probably would to reduce killing, the proportions make sense. Also, the Israelis are trying to strike militants. Gaza is a small place, however, and missiles are frequently placed in populated areas by Hamas, so it's unavoidable, although tragic. Israel, however, tries to reduce the death toll (by giving warnings, for example). Israel only wants terrorists to stop attacking it, and Israel is reacting in the same way that the US would probably react if placed in the same situation.
Oh, come on. You are counting the Israeli soldiers killed in Gaza? They were obviously not killed by rockets shot into Israel. Iron Dome had no hope of protecting them. You, like the other poster, seem to believe that there is no possible alternative strategy that could be employed by Israel other than killing more than 1,000 mostly civilian Palestinians. The fact that you are convinced that the Israelis are so well protected from the rockets makes the killing even more unnecessary. If the US were reacting the same way, I would be protesting it. I bet many of those defending Israel would also protest it.
A quick Google search found some Israeli soldiers killed by a mortar shell. As for being well-protected, 90% is not all the time. Inevitably, one rocket will land in a populated area, and Israeli citizens will be killed. Israel could theoretically go through with a larger ground invasion, instead of the rockets, but the rockets specifically destroy missile locations, which would be harder in a ground invasion.
jsteele
07/29/2014 15:23
Subject: Re:Who do you think is right?
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Both sides think they are right. The question could be debated for centuries and not settled. But, ask yourself, "who is doing the killing?"
Then, ask yourself how to justify the killing of over 1,000 people, most of whom are civilians. You will hear a lot about who is to blame, but who is doing the killing?
It is not Hamas' fault that Iron Dome shoots down missiles. If it wasn't for Israel investing in that system, the killing would probably be equal.
Do you really believe that? The Israelis say that Iron Dome is 90% effective (I believe this to be a gross exaggeration). That means that 10 percent of the rockets are getting through. So, the number of Israelis killed should be 10% of the number of Palestinians killed. Yet, the number is .03%. There is no justification for the killing that the Israelis are doing.
That's 4% (40/1000) actually, and if Iron Dome focuses on populated areas, which it probably would to reduce killing, the proportions make sense. Also, the Israelis are trying to strike militants. Gaza is a small place, however, and missiles are frequently placed in populated areas by Hamas, so it's unavoidable, although tragic. Israel, however, tries to reduce the death toll (by giving warnings, for example). Israel only wants terrorists to stop attacking it, and Israel is reacting in the same way that the US would probably react if placed in the same situation.
Oh, come on. You are counting the Israeli soldiers killed in Gaza? They were obviously not killed by rockets shot into Israel. Iron Dome had no hope of protecting them. You, like the other poster, seem to believe that there is no possible alternative strategy that could be employed by Israel other than killing more than 1,000 mostly civilian Palestinians. The fact that you are convinced that the Israelis are so well protected from the rockets makes the killing even more unnecessary. If the US were reacting the same way, I would be protesting it. I bet many of those defending Israel would also protest it.
jsteele
07/29/2014 15:17
Subject: Re:Who do you think is right?
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Both sides think they are right. The question could be debated for centuries and not settled. But, ask yourself, "who is doing the killing?"
Then, ask yourself how to justify the killing of over 1,000 people, most of whom are civilians. You will hear a lot about who is to blame, but who is doing the killing?
It is not Hamas' fault that Iron Dome shoots down missiles. If it wasn't for Israel investing in that system, the killing would probably be equal.
Do you really believe that? The Israelis say that Iron Dome is 90% effective (I believe this to be a gross exaggeration). That means that 10 percent of the rockets are getting through. So, the number of Israelis killed should be 10% of the number of Palestinians killed. Yet, the number is .03%. There is no justification for the killing that the Israelis are doing.
Are you effing kidding? Hamas is striking as far as they can, which doesn't happen to be very far. Since they can't detonate in Tel Aviv the way they'd like to... What? The rocket attacks should be dismissed as merely impolite?
I am so sick of this pattern:
1) Someone says something that is clearly wrong;
2) I call them on it;
3) I am accused of suggesting something entirely different.
Please learn to read. If I do not write clearly enough for you, ask me to clarify. But, no, I don't think rocket attacks should be dismissed as merely impolite. Nor do I think that the only possible reaction is to kill more than 1,000 people. Is it your position that there is no possible alternative to destroying complete neighborhoods, bombing schools and hospitals, and killing hundreds of children?
Anonymous
07/29/2014 15:16
Subject: Re:Who do you think is right?
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Both sides think they are right. The question could be debated for centuries and not settled. But, ask yourself, "who is doing the killing?"
Then, ask yourself how to justify the killing of over 1,000 people, most of whom are civilians. You will hear a lot about who is to blame, but who is doing the killing?
It is not Hamas' fault that Iron Dome shoots down missiles. If it wasn't for Israel investing in that system, the killing would probably be equal.
Do you really believe that? The Israelis say that Iron Dome is 90% effective (I believe this to be a gross exaggeration). That means that 10 percent of the rockets are getting through. So, the number of Israelis killed should be 10% of the number of Palestinians killed. Yet, the number is .03%. There is no justification for the killing that the Israelis are doing.
That's 4% (40/1000) actually, and if Iron Dome focuses on populated areas, which it probably would to reduce killing, the proportions make sense. Also, the Israelis are trying to strike militants. Gaza is a small place, however, and missiles are frequently placed in populated areas by Hamas, so it's unavoidable, although tragic. Israel, however, tries to reduce the death toll (by giving warnings, for example). Israel only wants terrorists to stop attacking it, and Israel is reacting in the same way that the US would probably react if placed in the same situation.
Anonymous
07/29/2014 15:12
Subject: Re:Who do you think is right?
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Both sides think they are right. The question could be debated for centuries and not settled. But, ask yourself, "who is doing the killing?"
Then, ask yourself how to justify the killing of over 1,000 people, most of whom are civilians. You will hear a lot about who is to blame, but who is doing the killing?
It is not Hamas' fault that Iron Dome shoots down missiles. If it wasn't for Israel investing in that system, the killing would probably be equal.
Do you really believe that? The Israelis say that Iron Dome is 90% effective (I believe this to be a gross exaggeration). That means that 10 percent of the rockets are getting through. So, the number of Israelis killed should be 10% of the number of Palestinians killed. Yet, the number is .03%. There is no justification for the killing that the Israelis are doing.
Are you effing kidding? Hamas is striking as far as they can, which doesn't happen to be very far. Since they can't detonate in Tel Aviv the way they'd like to... What? The rocket attacks should be dismissed as merely impolite?
Anonymous
07/29/2014 15:10
Subject: Who do you think is right?
Yes. Hamas is in the wrong, not Palestine, not Israel. Hamas needs to quit with the bleeping rocket fire. It's not reasonable to expect Israel to lay down arms while Hamas forges on ahead.
jsteele
07/29/2014 15:06
Subject: Re:Who do you think is right?
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Both sides think they are right. The question could be debated for centuries and not settled. But, ask yourself, "who is doing the killing?"
Then, ask yourself how to justify the killing of over 1,000 people, most of whom are civilians. You will hear a lot about who is to blame, but who is doing the killing?
It is not Hamas' fault that Iron Dome shoots down missiles. If it wasn't for Israel investing in that system, the killing would probably be equal.
Do you really believe that? The Israelis say that Iron Dome is 90% effective (I believe this to be a gross exaggeration). That means that 10 percent of the rockets are getting through. So, the number of Israelis killed should be 10% of the number of Palestinians killed. Yet, the number is .03%. There is no justification for the killing that the Israelis are doing.
Anonymous
07/29/2014 15:01
Subject: Re:Who do you think is right?
jsteele wrote:Both sides think they are right. The question could be debated for centuries and not settled. But, ask yourself, "who is doing the killing?"
Then, ask yourself how to justify the killing of over 1,000 people, most of whom are civilians. You will hear a lot about who is to blame, but who is doing the killing?
It is not Hamas' fault that Iron Dome shoots down missiles. If it wasn't for Israel investing in that system, the killing would probably be equal.
Anonymous
07/29/2014 15:00
Subject: Who do you think is right?
Anonymous wrote:[/b]And this is NOT "Palestine vs. Israel"
Only Hamas, a designated terrorist organization, is fighting. [b]
Fatah has not fired a single on of its missiles or mortars. There have been exactly ZERO Fatah terror tunnels utilized (while 30 Hamas tunnels have been discovered, so far).
Think about it.
This. Gazan civilians are innocent but dead. I don't think there are any Israeli civilians dead.
Anonymous
07/29/2014 14:57
Subject: Who do you think is right?
I don't think either are right. Neither are on solid moral ground.
jsteele
07/29/2014 14:54
Subject: Re:Who do you think is right?
Both sides think they are right. The question could be debated for centuries and not settled. But, ask yourself, "who is doing the killing?"
Then, ask yourself how to justify the killing of over 1,000 people, most of whom are civilians. You will hear a lot about who is to blame, but who is doing the killing?
Then, ask yourself how to justify the killing of over 1,000 people, most of whom are civilians. You will hear a lot about who is to blame, but who is doing the killing?
Anonymous
07/29/2014 14:51
Subject: Who do you think is right?
And this is NOT "Palestine vs. Israel"
Only Hamas, a designated terrorist organization, is fighting.
Fatah has not fired a single on of its missiles or mortars. There have been exactly ZERO Fatah terror tunnels utilized (while 30 Hamas tunnels have been discovered, so far).
Think about it.
Only Hamas, a designated terrorist organization, is fighting.
Fatah has not fired a single on of its missiles or mortars. There have been exactly ZERO Fatah terror tunnels utilized (while 30 Hamas tunnels have been discovered, so far).
Think about it.
Muslima
07/29/2014 14:51
Subject: Who do you think is right?
There will always be conflict in this life. Whether it is between nations, individuals or even within an individual. We live in a world of opposing forces. Conflict is an essential and necessary part of life. The question is how much do we lose out of conflict? How much are we willing to sacrifice to win? Losing one's soul in conflict does not constitute winning.
Anonymous
07/29/2014 14:48
Subject: Who do you think is right?
100% Israel.
They are defending against continued rocket attacks. How would you respond? Just sit by and take it??
They are defending against continued rocket attacks. How would you respond? Just sit by and take it??
Anonymous
07/29/2014 14:43
Subject: Who do you think is right?
Israel or Palestine? I have reasons for both, but I think that the fighting just needs to end. Who is right?