Anonymous wrote:Number of applicants rejected by Ivy League universities this year:

Harvard: 32,000
Princeton: 25,000
Yale: 29,000
Cornell: 37,000
Dartmouth: 17,000

In all seriousness, where do you think these kids - most of whom are qualified enough to at least take a shot at Ivy admission - end up?

Duke, Georgetown, Wash U., JHU, UVA, of course. But a lot of them want to go to New England colleges, and if they don't get into the Ivy League, they go to the NESCAC.

Trinity has fallen in ranks of NESCAC prestige, to the point where I don't think it's above Colby and Bates as someone said above. But this idea that it - or any NESCAC school - doesn't enroll many students who were rejected from Ivy League schools doesn't reflect a realistic understanding of the contemporary college admissions market.

Perhaps, but I'd suggest that the idea that Cornell and Dartmouth are in the same league (other than athletically) as Harvard, Princeton and Yale doesn't reflect a realistic understanding of the contemporary college admissions market.

Anonymous wrote:Number of applicants rejected by Ivy League universities this year:

Harvard: 32,000
Princeton: 25,000
Yale: 29,000
Cornell: 37,000
Dartmouth: 17,000

In all seriousness, where do you think these kids - most of whom are qualified enough to at least take a shot at Ivy admission - end up?

Duke, Georgetown, Wash U., JHU, UVA, of course. But a lot of them want to go to New England colleges, and if they don't get into the Ivy League, they go to the NESCAC.

Trinity has fallen in ranks of NESCAC prestige, to the point where I don't think it's above Colby and Bates as someone said above. But this idea that it - or any NESCAC school - doesn't enroll many students who were rejected from Ivy League schools doesn't reflect a realistic understanding of the contemporary college admissions market.

Duke (#7) is ranked comfortably ahead of Dartmouth and well ahead of Cornell (#16). It's hard to imagine any circumstance in which Duke would be a fall back for a Cornell reject - usually the opposite. The same applies to JHU and WASH U - both of which are ranked ahead of Cornell. Cornell is in the same athletic conference as Princeton Harvard Yale and a Columbia, but no knowledgeable person would consider them in the same " league."

Another perspective. Having gone to high school in Central Conn long ago, there were 4 strong schools in the state -- Yale, Wesleyan, Trinity and UConn. If you want to stay in state, that's one core group of kids Trinity had. These days with greater mobility, I suspect their share of kids from Conn is lower and from everywhere else is higher than it used to be, but if you want to stay closer to NY, there are still fewer strong LACs around (some of them used to be single gender and when they went cooed (like Vassar) it no doubt pulled kids away Trinity). I suspect geography is a big factor. I can't think of many other LACs in cities.

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Number of applicants rejected by Ivy League universities this year:

Harvard: 32,000
Princeton: 25,000
Yale: 29,000
Cornell: 37,000
Dartmouth: 17,000

In all seriousness, where do you think these kids - most of whom are qualified enough to at least take a shot at Ivy admission - end up?

Duke, Georgetown, Wash U., JHU, UVA, of course. But a lot of them want to go to New England colleges, and if they don't get into the Ivy League, they go to the NESCAC.

Trinity has fallen in ranks of NESCAC prestige, to the point where I don't think it's above Colby and Bates as someone said above. But this idea that it - or any NESCAC school - doesn't enroll many students who were rejected from Ivy League schools doesn't reflect a realistic understanding of the contemporary college admissions market.

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baltimoreguy wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD recently visited this school. Liked it (not so much the nearby neighborhood) but we have heard that while the school is "good" and one can get a good education, its a school that we're told is comprised of many "Ivy" rejects and that the student body is not really that happy.

Pretty much any New England small liberal arts college (except maybe Amherst and Williams) is full of Ivy rejects - not sure there are hundreds of people enrolling in Colby over Dartmouth or Bowdoin over Princeton.

My impression of Trinity is that there were two kinds of students. The studious kids who didn't quite have the stats for the Ivy League and were perhaps disappointed to be at "only" Trinity. And then there were the smart, underachieving preppy kids who didn't have great grades because they weren't very studious, but were still smart enough to put together SAT scores. Those kids seemed to love Trinity - go to most classes but not all, do a decent amount of homework but not tons, and party hard 3 or 4 nights a week.

In recent years, Trinity has been trying to scale back on the preppy party kids and ramp up on the academics. Paradoxically, it seems they are turning off their core audience - the preppy partiers - while not significantly increasing their appeal to higher academic achievers.

I've got 2 kids who have recently been through college admissions. They're at an Ivy, but I can tell you that their friends who went to the top SLACs aren't "Ivy League rejects". They wanted what the SLACs have to offer that is different from the Ivies and Ivy-competitive research universities. Students don't leave Bowdoin, Williams, Middlebury or Amherst to transfer to a bigger school. the high transfer rate at Trinity (don't know if it's 85% as cited above, but I've heard it's high) sets it apart.

I agree that for most of the kids who go to the top SLACs are not Ivy League rejects. The top 5 schools are very hard to get into and draw a different crowd from those who apply to Harvard or Brown or Penn (but not Dartmouth). But I don't think anyone at Trinity is an Ivy League reject. Two very different populations. If you apply to am Ivy, you are not also applying to Trinity, unless it's your way backup. Or, you think you can get into HYP because of squash.

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Anonymous wrote:DD recently visited this school. Liked it (not so much the nearby neighborhood) but we have heard that while the school is "good" and one can get a good education, its a school that we're told is comprised of many "Ivy" rejects and that the student body is not really that happy.

Pretty much any New England small liberal arts college (except maybe Amherst and Williams) is full of Ivy rejects - not sure there are hundreds of people enrolling in Colby over Dartmouth or Bowdoin over Princeton.

My impression of Trinity is that there were two kinds of students. The studious kids who didn't quite have the stats for the Ivy League and were perhaps disappointed to be at "only" Trinity. And then there were the smart, underachieving preppy kids who didn't have great grades because they weren't very studious, but were still smart enough to put together SAT scores. Those kids seemed to love Trinity - go to most classes but not all, do a decent amount of homework but not tons, and party hard 3 or 4 nights a week.

In recent years, Trinity has been trying to scale back on the preppy party kids and ramp up on the academics. Paradoxically, it seems they are turning off their core audience - the preppy partiers - while not significantly increasing their appeal to higher academic achievers.

I've got 2 kids who have recently been through college admissions. They're at an Ivy, but I can tell you that their friends who went to the top SLACs aren't "Ivy League rejects". They wanted what the SLACs have to offer that is different from the Ivies and Ivy-competitive research universities. Students don't leave Bowdoin, Williams, Middlebury or Amherst to transfer to a bigger school. the high transfer rate at Trinity (don't know if it's 85% as cited above, but I've heard it's high) sets it apart.

Sibling went there and LOOOVED it. I was at Ivy at the time, and was so jealous that I contemplated transferring! I knew a lot of people at Trinity at the time and they've all done very well professionally. I should note that my sibling was back recently for a reunion and was surprised at how much the neighborhood has worsened.

Anonymous wrote:Its preppy and quite nice, as is the town but I highly doubt that its a school that many ivy rejects go to. I would really really doubt that. Its a respectable school but not one of the elite "little ivies" though I believe it is in that group of 12 or so schools, not sure.

Harvard rejected 32,000 applicants this year. They all had to go somewhere.

Higher than Colby and Bates lower than Hamilton CT. College and way lower than Williams. Depends on the kid and the kind of student they are, nice campus.

Its preppy and quite nice, as is the town but I highly doubt that its a school that many ivy rejects go to. I would really really doubt that. Its a respectable school but not one of the elite "little ivies" though I believe it is in that group of 12 or so schools, not sure.

My niece went there and was a happy student there but admittedly was not a real academic, did get an A+ in socializing though

My D visited her there several times but she ultimately chose another New England liberal arts college.

Anonymous wrote:DD recently visited this school. Liked it (not so much the nearby neighborhood) but we have heard that while the school is "good" and one can get a good education, its a school that we're told is comprised of many "Ivy" rejects and that the student body is not really that happy.

Pretty much any New England small liberal arts college (except maybe Amherst and Williams) is full of Ivy rejects - not sure there are hundreds of people enrolling in Colby over Dartmouth or Bowdoin over Princeton.

My impression of Trinity is that there were two kinds of students. The studious kids who didn't quite have the stats for the Ivy League and were perhaps disappointed to be at "only" Trinity. And then there were the smart, underachieving preppy kids who didn't have great grades because they weren't very studious, but were still smart enough to put together SAT scores. Those kids seemed to love Trinity - go to most classes but not all, do a decent amount of homework but not tons, and party hard 3 or 4 nights a week.

In recent years, Trinity has been trying to scale back on the preppy party kids and ramp up on the academics. Paradoxically, it seems they are turning off their core audience - the preppy partiers - while not significantly increasing their appeal to higher academic achievers.

Taught there in the early 90s, so some of this may be a bit dated.

Lots of students from TX and CT, whose parents are originally from NE and wanted their kids to go to a good SLAC in NE. Preppy. The kids (girls especially) looked like they were pushed through a mold at admissions. (Not in a bad way, just pretty uniform).

I thought the kids were kind of spoonfed, but I went to a hugh public university, and get that probably that's what people are paying for. Classes usually taught by profs, not by TAs.

Overall good school, crappy location...guess that still hasn't changed. Too bad. They work hard at keeping campus and buildings secure, though.

Pretty preppy, location stinks, plenty of parties, good academics. Agree with PP's assessment above.

Anonymous wrote:DD recently visited this school. Liked it (not so much the nearby neighborhood) but we have heard that while the school is "good" and one can get a good education, its a school that we're told is comprised of many "Ivy" rejects and that the student body is not really that happy. We didn't detect this but did notice that only roughly 85% of students return for year 2...that seemed disturbing. Another issue that concerned us was the degree of frats etc. and partying.

Anyone have thoughts on the school and comments noted?

Good squash team. Pipeline to Wall Street.

Would not be good for kids who really want something crunchier like Kenyon, Grinnell, etc. or more overtly intellectual like Swarthmore or Oberlin. Otherwise, it's a good SLAC - not as prestigious as some (Amherst, Williams, Wesleyan) and higher up the food chain than others. It's like a New England version of W&L (maligned on another thread), but in a crappier location.

DD recently visited this school. Liked it (not so much the nearby neighborhood) but we have heard that while the school is "good" and one can get a good education, its a school that we're told is comprised of many "Ivy" rejects and that the student body is not really that happy. We didn't detect this but did notice that only roughly 85% of students return for year 2...that seemed disturbing. Another issue that concerned us was the degree of frats etc. and partying.

Anyone have thoughts on the school and comments noted?