Anonymous wrote:NP here. We can agree to disagree with the economic stuff. But as a semi-practicing Protestant (PK), I must argue with your #3.

Are you saying that because Obama has done things that you believe are either unintentionally or intentionally evil and bitter, that he is then not a Christian? Being Christian is not about being good or bad, it's about a person's belief in Jesus Christ. Jesus was himself most sympathetic to sinners.

You are entitled to your own interpretations, but Jesus was not sympathetic to hypocrites......treat them as heathens and Gentiles.....keep working on it. You are on the right path.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe that research is still ongoing, and not a product yet, but Obama has been successful with other alternative fueled cars, like the Tesla Model S. It's weird how I never hear about Obama's success with Tesla, but constantly hear about Solyndra.

Oh success. What has been the Executive Genius's ROI overall?

If he was a venture capitalist, his energy investments would be fantastic.

Could you put some numbers to that? I need a good laugh.

He and his party have over the last few decades have made Detroit a real paradise.

Tesla poster here. Bush, among others, almost destroyed the economy. Democrats don't have a monopoly on poor economic decisions.

You were supposed to clear up my confusion. How about the Executive Genius ROI, (look it up)?

He is a failure and so are you.

As far as I know, the government is not a hedge fund or a venture capitalists, but counting the bailouts and Fannie/Freddie, it's around 10%.

Agree, but Obama fancies himself as a venture capitalist and many other things that he is not, transparent, Christian man, yadda yadda.
Disagree on 10%.

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1. How does Obama fancy himself as a venture capitalist?
2. Obama's been moderate on transparency. (Keep in mind that I am not saying that he is the most transparent president)
3. Seriously? If you say you're Christian, you're Christian.
4. TARP and Fannie both turned profits, and both around 10%, given that Fannie has made an additional 10 billion since it repaid it's debt, and paid $5 billion extra when it repaid the debt.

1. it was never his place to do Solyndra risks.
2. he is very dark as opposed to transparent with dark, dark lies like the "Benghazi video" keep your doc, insurance pland and I will save $2500 per family knowing full well he is lying.
3. "you will know them by their fruits".....his are evil and bitter
4. he has wasted lots of money then laughed about it.....shovel ready jobs.....ha ha from him

Got it?

PP here.
1. He wasn't taking risks, his administration was trying to help green technology advance by giving grants.
2. The "Benghazi video" has evidence backing it, but if false is no worse than "WMDs in Iraq." The "keep your own plan" and "$2500 per family" quotes turned out to be false, but the ACA has still helped many. He has also made the inner workings of the White House more transparent, as shown by my link, although he did not keep all his promises in that regard.
3. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean that they're evil. Also, he has said that he's Christian and has attended church.
4. How has he "wasted lots of money"? The deficit is controlled by Congress, if that's what you're talking about.

NP here. We can agree to disagree with the economic stuff. But as a semi-practicing Protestant (PK), I must argue with your #3.

Are you saying that because Obama has done things that you believe are either unintentionally or intentionally evil and bitter, that he is then not a Christian? Being Christian is not about being good or bad, it's about a person's belief in Jesus Christ. Jesus was himself most sympathetic to sinners.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe that research is still ongoing, and not a product yet, but Obama has been successful with other alternative fueled cars, like the Tesla Model S. It's weird how I never hear about Obama's success with Tesla, but constantly hear about Solyndra.

Oh success. What has been the Executive Genius's ROI overall?

If he was a venture capitalist, his energy investments would be fantastic.

Could you put some numbers to that? I need a good laugh.

He and his party have over the last few decades have made Detroit a real paradise.

Tesla poster here. Bush, among others, almost destroyed the economy. Democrats don't have a monopoly on poor economic decisions.

You were supposed to clear up my confusion. How about the Executive Genius ROI, (look it up)?

He is a failure and so are you.

As far as I know, the government is not a hedge fund or a venture capitalists, but counting the bailouts and Fannie/Freddie, it's around 10%.

Agree, but Obama fancies himself as a venture capitalist and many other things that he is not, transparent, Christian man, yadda yadda.
Disagree on 10%.

PP here.
1. How does Obama fancy himself as a venture capitalist?
2. Obama's been moderate on transparency. (Keep in mind that I am not saying that he is the most transparent president)
3. Seriously? If you say you're Christian, you're Christian.
4. TARP and Fannie both turned profits, and both around 10%, given that Fannie has made an additional 10 billion since it repaid it's debt, and paid $5 billion extra when it repaid the debt.

1. it was never his place to do Solyndra risks.
2. he is very dark as opposed to transparent with dark, dark lies like the "Benghazi video" keep your doc, insurance pland and I will save $2500 per family knowing full well he is lying.
3. "you will know them by their fruits".....his are evil and bitter
4. he has wasted lots of money then laughed about it.....shovel ready jobs.....ha ha from him

Got it?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe that research is still ongoing, and not a product yet, but Obama has been successful with other alternative fueled cars, like the Tesla Model S. It's weird how I never hear about Obama's success with Tesla, but constantly hear about Solyndra.

Oh success. What has been the Executive Genius's ROI overall?

If he was a venture capitalist, his energy investments would be fantastic.

Could you put some numbers to that? I need a good laugh.

He and his party have over the last few decades have made Detroit a real paradise.

Tesla poster here. Bush, among others, almost destroyed the economy. Democrats don't have a monopoly on poor economic decisions.

You were supposed to clear up my confusion. How about the Executive Genius ROI, (look it up)?

He is a failure and so are you.

As far as I know, the government is not a hedge fund or a venture capitalists, but counting the bailouts and Fannie/Freddie, it's around 10%.

Agree, but Obama fancies himself as a venture capitalist and many other things that he is not, transparent, Christian man, yadda yadda.
Disagree on 10%.

PP here.
1. How does Obama fancy himself as a venture capitalist?
2. Obama's been moderate on transparency. (Keep in mind that I am not saying that he is the most transparent president)
3. Seriously? If you say you're Christian, you're Christian.
4. TARP and Fannie both turned profits, and both around 10%, given that Fannie has made an additional 10 billion since it repaid it's debt, and paid $5 billion extra when it repaid the debt.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe that research is still ongoing, and not a product yet, but Obama has been successful with other alternative fueled cars, like the Tesla Model S. It's weird how I never hear about Obama's success with Tesla, but constantly hear about Solyndra.

Oh success. What has been the Executive Genius's ROI overall?

If he was a venture capitalist, his energy investments would be fantastic.

Could you put some numbers to that? I need a good laugh.

He and his party have over the last few decades have made Detroit a real paradise.

OK. Tesla was worth $500M when Obama put $465M into it. If he was a VC it would have been an equity investment worth approximately half of the value of Tesla. Based on the market cap, it would be a $12-13 billion dollar return.

If you ran a VC fund that had $34 billion invested, and five years out you had 1 exit worth 33% of the fund value, write-offs of only $680M ~2% of the fund, and the remaining 32.9B still at work with only one more at risk (Fisker, $200M), you would be a genius. The losses I am counting are A123, Solyndra, Vehicle Production Group, Ecotality. The average VC hopes that 10% of its portfolio makes it.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe that research is still ongoing, and not a product yet, but Obama has been successful with other alternative fueled cars, like the Tesla Model S. It's weird how I never hear about Obama's success with Tesla, but constantly hear about Solyndra.

Oh success. What has been the Executive Genius's ROI overall?

If he was a venture capitalist, his energy investments would be fantastic.

Could you put some numbers to that? I need a good laugh.

He and his party have over the last few decades have made Detroit a real paradise.

Tesla poster here. Bush, among others, almost destroyed the economy. Democrats don't have a monopoly on poor economic decisions.

You were supposed to clear up my confusion. How about the Executive Genius ROI, (look it up)?

He is a failure and so are you.

As far as I know, the government is not a hedge fund or a venture capitalists, but counting the bailouts and Fannie/Freddie, it's around 10%.

Agree, but Obama fancies himself as a venture capitalist and many other things that he is not, transparent, Christian man, yadda yadda.
Disagree on 10%.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe that research is still ongoing, and not a product yet, but Obama has been successful with other alternative fueled cars, like the Tesla Model S. It's weird how I never hear about Obama's success with Tesla, but constantly hear about Solyndra.

Oh success. What has been the Executive Genius's ROI overall?

If he was a venture capitalist, his energy investments would be fantastic.

Could you put some numbers to that? I need a good laugh.

He and his party have over the last few decades have made Detroit a real paradise.

Tesla poster here. Bush, among others, almost destroyed the economy. Democrats don't have a monopoly on poor economic decisions.

You were supposed to clear up my confusion. How about the Executive Genius ROI, (look it up)?

He is a failure and so are you.

As far as I know, the government is not a hedge fund or a venture capitalists, but counting the bailouts and Fannie/Freddie, it's around 10%.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe that research is still ongoing, and not a product yet, but Obama has been successful with other alternative fueled cars, like the Tesla Model S. It's weird how I never hear about Obama's success with Tesla, but constantly hear about Solyndra.

Oh success. What has been the Executive Genius's ROI overall?

If he was a venture capitalist, his energy investments would be fantastic.

Could you put some numbers to that? I need a good laugh.

He and his party have over the last few decades have made Detroit a real paradise.

Tesla poster here. Bush, among others, almost destroyed the economy. Democrats don't have a monopoly on poor economic decisions.

You were supposed to clear up my confusion. How about the Executive Genius ROI, (look it up)?

He is a failure and so are you.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe that research is still ongoing, and not a product yet, but Obama has been successful with other alternative fueled cars, like the Tesla Model S. It's weird how I never hear about Obama's success with Tesla, but constantly hear about Solyndra.

Oh success. What has been the Executive Genius's ROI overall?

If he was a venture capitalist, his energy investments would be fantastic.

Could you put some numbers to that? I need a good laugh.

He and his party have over the last few decades have made Detroit a real paradise.

Tesla poster here. Bush, among others, almost destroyed the economy. Democrats don't have a monopoly on poor economic decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe that research is still ongoing, and not a product yet, but Obama has been successful with other alternative fueled cars, like the Tesla Model S. It's weird how I never hear about Obama's success with Tesla, but constantly hear about Solyndra.

Oh success. What has been the Executive Genius's ROI overall?

If he was a venture capitalist, his energy investments would be fantastic.

Could you put some numbers to that? I need a good laugh.

He and his party have over the last few decades have made Detroit a real paradise.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe that research is still ongoing, and not a product yet, but Obama has been successful with other alternative fueled cars, like the Tesla Model S. It's weird how I never hear about Obama's success with Tesla, but constantly hear about Solyndra.

Oh success. What has been the Executive Genius's ROI overall?

If he was a venture capitalist, his energy investments would be fantastic.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe that research is still ongoing, and not a product yet, but Obama has been successful with other alternative fueled cars, like the Tesla Model S. It's weird how I never hear about Obama's success with Tesla, but constantly hear about Solyndra.

Oh success. What has been the Executive Genius's ROI overall?

Maybe that research is still ongoing, and not a product yet, but Obama has been successful with other alternative fueled cars, like the Tesla Model S. It's weird how I never hear about Obama's success with Tesla, but constantly hear about Solyndra.

Confusing to keep up with our Executive Genius........