Sorry, PP here, I meant to state "Do most of them in lower SES think they cannot achieve these kinds of careers so they don't bother? I think this is part of it."

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Anonymous wrote:So why is there a different in child outcomes amongst races then? Genetics? Considering they have the same teachers, it can't be that.

It's not race, it's SES, and the word gap

No, I think it's cultural. I'm SES but I'm Asian, and a lot of Asian immigrants start off as low SES, but the kids do well in school.

Did you read the part that only a select few of the Asian culture (Indian, Chinese, Korean) do well. I know that people like to lump all of Asia as one, but it really isn't. And neither are the people and the various cultures.

You are right. It's not all Asians. It is specific to certain Asian cultures. I'm tempted to say it's Asian cultures that are doing better overall. Although India still has a large poor class, those that come to this country tend to come from the higher caste, so within their subculture, they are overall doing better. Maybe it's the level of expectation. Example: one is lower SES but b/c one sees from the subculture that the path to doing better is higher ed. so they support it more.

It really is about what is valued more. A lot of the Asian cultures that do well also have higher expectations in terms of careers -- they value STEM and any career that is perceived to be more prestigious (law, investment banking, etc.). Since I'm Asian, I'm not going to assume anything about the black/hispanic cultures. Do most of them in lower SES think they can achieve these kinds of careers so they don't bother? I think this is part of it.

For example, in the early 80's, I wanted to major in journalism. My dad said Americans don't want to see a yellow face on tv -- this was when the Asian population was a lot smaller than it is now. Now, he sees them everywhere on tv so he says, "Oh yea, you could've been a great journalist". I majored in business instead. See, it's about what you perceive to be attainable. I'm generalizing here.

Anonymous wrote:I love how all these white parents love posting these articles so that they can give themselves a pat on the back. And no, not all DCUM followers are white including myself. Contrary to what you might believe, people of color love their children too.

Please explain how the OP was patting herself on the back by posting this. Or how you know she is white?

I love how all these white parents love posting these articles so that they can give themselves a pat on the back. And no, not all DCUM followers are white including myself. Contrary to what you might believe, people of color love their children too.

I thought I read that the study controlled for SES?

Someone, please post the popcorn-eating Gene Wilder gif. Please, post it.

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Anonymous wrote:So why is there a different in child outcomes amongst races then? Genetics? Considering they have the same teachers, it can't be that.

It's not race, it's SES, and the word gap

No, I think it's cultural. I'm SES but I'm Asian, and a lot of Asian immigrants start off as low SES, but the kids do well in school.

Did you read the part that only a select few of the Asian culture (Indian, Chinese, Korean) do well. I know that people like to lump all of Asia as one, but it really isn't. And neither are the people and the various cultures.

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Anonymous wrote:So why is there a different in child outcomes amongst races then? Genetics? Considering they have the same teachers, it can't be that.

It's not race, it's SES, and the word gap

No, I think it's cultural. I'm SES but I'm Asian, and a lot of Asian immigrants start off as low SES, but the kids do well in school.

Anonymous wrote:So why is there a different in child outcomes amongst races then? Genetics? Considering they have the same teachers, it can't be that.

It's not race, it's SES, and the word gap

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Anonymous wrote:So why is there a different in child outcomes amongst races then? Genetics? Considering they have the same teachers, it can't be that.

Based on what I've read, the achievement gap is set into place way before kids even get to Kindergarten. There is something about a middle class white baby hearing about 3 million more words by the time he or she is 2, compared to a black child. (Don't quote me on the figure, but it's something like that.)

Geoffrey Canada also said that white Americans are always looking for the latest, best way to raise and educate children (example: ALL of DCUM!) but that info doesn't flow into black households with the same regularity, for whatever reason.

Problem with this article is that it doesn't lists causes only relationships. I am skeptical of the findings.

Anonymous wrote:So why is there a different in child outcomes amongst races then? Genetics? Considering they have the same teachers, it can't be that.

Based on what I've read, the achievement gap is set into place way before kids even get to Kindergarten. There is something about a middle class white baby hearing about 3 million more words by the time he or she is 2, compared to a black child. (Don't quote me on the figure, but it's something like that.)

So why is there a different in child outcomes amongst races then? Genetics? Considering they have the same teachers, it can't be that.

The "finding" that Black children whose parents read to them perform worse is really troubling. Probably an instance of correlation and not causation or something.

Always thought so

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