Anonymous
Post 04/03/2014 13:27     Subject: Good explanation of where the Expected Family Contribution (EFC) comes from

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm a single parent, and the NYT piece is disturbing. I'm already panicking about sending my DD to school in 2015 with a far-too-little-funded 529.

"As with income, there is an “asset protection allowance” for parents. It does takes age into account — a little. A two-parent family in which the older parent is 30 has $9,100 that can’t be touched. If the older parent is 60, the allowance is $45,500.

Now, here’s the weirdest part of the formula: Single parents are allowed a far, far smaller allowance than married parents. A 60-year-old single parent can cordon off only $10,200. This is apparently because the formula is based on very outdated assumptions.

Nowadays, it’s well known that a two-person household does not cost twice as much as a single-person household, so it’s doubtful that two people would need to save twice as much as one — much less four times more. Or put another way, a single person nearing retirement needs to save almost as much as a couple. But the formula forces single parents to cough up more for tuition."


I have not looked at the article or the links, but this seems insane to me.

So, if you are 60, you are allowed to keep $45,500 in assets!!!!! What's that supposed to cushion you from if you retire early or become ill? That would not keep our family above the poverty line!! We'd have to sell our house, most of our possessions and live in a low-income rental. Who in their right mind would do this in order to send their child to college???

My kid has got to get into Harvard!! Great aid packages there!! They let you keep a whole lotta your assets!! But fat chance DC gets in there, even with 4.0 and great SATs, ECs, etc. Community College, here we come!


PP, between Harvard and community college there will be many colleges that will offer your qualified DC healthy financial aid packages. Look into it, do the research, and you will be pleasantly surprised.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2014 11:50     Subject: Good explanation of where the Expected Family Contribution (EFC) comes from

Anonymous wrote:I'm a single parent, and the NYT piece is disturbing. I'm already panicking about sending my DD to school in 2015 with a far-too-little-funded 529.

"As with income, there is an “asset protection allowance” for parents. It does takes age into account — a little. A two-parent family in which the older parent is 30 has $9,100 that can’t be touched. If the older parent is 60, the allowance is $45,500.

Now, here’s the weirdest part of the formula: Single parents are allowed a far, far smaller allowance than married parents. A 60-year-old single parent can cordon off only $10,200. This is apparently because the formula is based on very outdated assumptions.

Nowadays, it’s well known that a two-person household does not cost twice as much as a single-person household, so it’s doubtful that two people would need to save twice as much as one — much less four times more. Or put another way, a single person nearing retirement needs to save almost as much as a couple. But the formula forces single parents to cough up more for tuition."


I have not looked at the article or the links, but this seems insane to me.

So, if you are 60, you are allowed to keep $45,500 in assets!!!!! What's that supposed to cushion you from if you retire early or become ill? That would not keep our family above the poverty line!! We'd have to sell our house, most of our possessions and live in a low-income rental. Who in their right mind would do this in order to send their child to college???

My kid has got to get into Harvard!! Great aid packages there!! They let you keep a whole lotta your assets!! But fat chance DC gets in there, even with 4.0 and great SATs, ECs, etc. Community College, here we come!
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2014 16:16     Subject: Good explanation of where the Expected Family Contribution (EFC) comes from

Anonymous wrote:I'm a single parent, and the NYT piece is disturbing. I'm already panicking about sending my DD to school in 2015 with a far-too-little-funded 529.

"As with income, there is an “asset protection allowance” for parents. It does takes age into account — a little. A two-parent family in which the older parent is 30 has $9,100 that can’t be touched. If the older parent is 60, the allowance is $45,500.

Now, here’s the weirdest part of the formula: Single parents are allowed a far, far smaller allowance than married parents. A 60-year-old single parent can cordon off only $10,200. This is apparently because the formula is based on very outdated assumptions.

Nowadays, it’s well known that a two-person household does not cost twice as much as a single-person household, so it’s doubtful that two people would need to save twice as much as one — much less four times more. Or put another way, a single person nearing retirement needs to save almost as much as a couple. But the formula forces single parents to cough up more for tuition."


This may be because couples traditionally have more children than a single-person household. We know married couples with three, four, five, even ten children, but none of our single-person household friends begin to have that many children. A two-person household with three children, for example, probably does have four times the expenses as a single-person household with one child. Just a possibility.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2014 15:10     Subject: Good explanation of where the Expected Family Contribution (EFC) comes from

I'm a single parent, and the NYT piece is disturbing. I'm already panicking about sending my DD to school in 2015 with a far-too-little-funded 529.

"As with income, there is an “asset protection allowance” for parents. It does takes age into account — a little. A two-parent family in which the older parent is 30 has $9,100 that can’t be touched. If the older parent is 60, the allowance is $45,500.

Now, here’s the weirdest part of the formula: Single parents are allowed a far, far smaller allowance than married parents. A 60-year-old single parent can cordon off only $10,200. This is apparently because the formula is based on very outdated assumptions.

Nowadays, it’s well known that a two-person household does not cost twice as much as a single-person household, so it’s doubtful that two people would need to save twice as much as one — much less four times more. Or put another way, a single person nearing retirement needs to save almost as much as a couple. But the formula forces single parents to cough up more for tuition."
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2014 14:04     Subject: Re:Good explanation of where the Expected Family Contribution (EFC) comes from

It doesn't matter where the EFC came from. It's not as if colleges actually pay attention to that number.

Unless the number is 0 it seems as though they pretend as if they never looked at the report.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2014 13:45     Subject: Good explanation of where the Expected Family Contribution (EFC) comes from

Anonymous wrote:Do the colleges take into consideration a parent(s) age at the time of applying for financial age?

I know several parents who had children older. I would think this impacts their earning potential to contribute to tuition if they retire or unable to work further into their '60s.


yes.

http://www.thecollegesolution.com/will-your-savings-hurt-your-financial-aid-chances/
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2014 13:45     Subject: Good explanation of where the Expected Family Contribution (EFC) comes from

Anonymous wrote:Do the colleges take into consideration a parent(s) age at the time of applying for financial age?

I know several parents who had children older. I would think this impacts their earning potential to contribute to tuition if they retire or unable to work further into their '60s.


Read the link, it's there.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2014 13:38     Subject: Good explanation of where the Expected Family Contribution (EFC) comes from

Do the colleges take into consideration a parent(s) age at the time of applying for financial age?

I know several parents who had children older. I would think this impacts their earning potential to contribute to tuition if they retire or unable to work further into their '60s.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2014 12:02     Subject: Good explanation of where the Expected Family Contribution (EFC) comes from

Just be forewarned that schools won't necessarily say Tuition - EFC = Aid. My "aid" mostly consisted of optional loans and did not even come close to closing the gap between what FAFSA estimated we could pay and what tuition actually was.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2014 11:50     Subject: Good explanation of where the Expected Family Contribution (EFC) comes from

NY Times has a great article on how this works: http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/31/what-happens-if-you-save-for-college/?_php=true&_type=blogs&hp&_r=0

It links to the actual worksheets, so you can see what your EFC would be. (If you want to calculate your EFC, it helps to have done your taxes so you have the needed numbers at hand.)