Anonymous
03/16/2014 10:35
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
Anonymous wrote:I think a big problem with conversations about faith between believers and non-believers, is the use of the bible as a source. Believers believe the bible is truth while atheists don't. We cannot have a discussion where one person is using a source that the other thinks is completely in left field. The believer thinks that by completely dismissing the bible, the atheist is being disrespectful. I don't know how to get past this first barrier of contention.
This is NOT true. Catholics, for example, are not biblical fundamentalists. I don't know one Catholic who believes the Book of Genesis, foe example, is literally true.
Anonymous
03/16/2014 10:27
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think OP is saying that atheists claim to be "good without God" and them come on sites like this and are mean to religious people. So thy are not good, they are mean, and that is hypocritical.
Sorry OP but I don't think getting down and dirty in a debate on an anonymous message board is "mean" enough to make an atheist "not good". If the atheist is not embezzling millions from their religious organization, molesting little children, or participating in the systemic degradation of women as religious tradition, or... etc. etc., then your whining about atheists being mean is just so..... lame.
It's so telling that you start your post with, I don't want to talk about the hypocrisy of religious people, only atheists - cuz you SO know that is a fight that religious people cannot win.
This is like one spouse forgetting to flush the toilet and the other cheating spouse complaining about lack of consideration. "Yeah but look at the mean thing YOU did".
I'll take my rep as a "mean" atheist for pointing out the evils of religion any day. You keep on tolerating hate, bigotry, backwards superstition and systemic corruption in your faith. See you on DCUM!
The difference between a religious person and an atheist, though, is the religious person knows s/he is fallible, sinful, imperfect, and seeks redemption for it. I think that's OP's point about the qualifier. It's not a matter of being a "fight that religious people cannot win." Religious people already acknowledge that and their religious are about trying to overcome that. It's a lifelong thing and a central tenet of faith.
Atheists, on the other hand, tend to be often wrong but rarely in doubt and feel entitled to act with impunity.
oh please, IIRC most Christians think that grace comes from God not works, so I'm not sure where your argument gets you. Plus, if you want to play the generalization game, most atheists in my experience are much more open to being in doubt than religious people.
Anonymous
03/16/2014 10:11
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
OP, are you boozing it up before church again? Your post makes no sense.
When you sober up, look up "hypocrisy".
When you sober up, look up "hypocrisy".
Anonymous
03/16/2014 10:04
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
Anonymous wrote:I think OP is saying that atheists claim to be "good without God" and them come on sites like this and are mean to religious people. So thy are not good, they are mean, and that is hypocritical.
Sorry OP but I don't think getting down and dirty in a debate on an anonymous message board is "mean" enough to make an atheist "not good". If the atheist is not embezzling millions from their religious organization, molesting little children, or participating in the systemic degradation of women as religious tradition, or... etc. etc., then your whining about atheists being mean is just so..... lame.
It's so telling that you start your post with, I don't want to talk about the hypocrisy of religious people, only atheists - cuz you SO know that is a fight that religious people cannot win.
This is like one spouse forgetting to flush the toilet and the other cheating spouse complaining about lack of consideration. "Yeah but look at the mean thing YOU did".
I'll take my rep as a "mean" atheist for pointing out the evils of religion any day. You keep on tolerating hate, bigotry, backwards superstition and systemic corruption in your faith. See you on DCUM!
The difference between a religious person and an atheist, though, is the religious person knows s/he is fallible, sinful, imperfect, and seeks redemption for it. I think that's OP's point about the qualifier. It's not a matter of being a "fight that religious people cannot win." Religious people already acknowledge that and their religious are about trying to overcome that. It's a lifelong thing and a central tenet of faith.
Atheists, on the other hand, tend to be often wrong but rarely in doubt and feel entitled to act with impunity.
Anonymous
03/16/2014 09:54
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
I think OP is saying that atheists claim to be "good without God" and them come on sites like this and are mean to religious people. So thy are not good, they are mean, and that is hypocritical.
Sorry OP but I don't think getting down and dirty in a debate on an anonymous message board is "mean" enough to make an atheist "not good". If the atheist is not embezzling millions from their religious organization, molesting little children, or participating in the systemic degradation of women as religious tradition, or... etc. etc., then your whining about atheists being mean is just so..... lame.
It's so telling that you start your post with, I don't want to talk about the hypocrisy of religious people, only atheists - cuz you SO know that is a fight that religious people cannot win.
This is like one spouse forgetting to flush the toilet and the other cheating spouse complaining about lack of consideration. "Yeah but look at the mean thing YOU did".
I'll take my rep as a "mean" atheist for pointing out the evils of religion any day. You keep on tolerating hate, bigotry, backwards superstition and systemic corruption in your faith. See you on DCUM!
Sorry OP but I don't think getting down and dirty in a debate on an anonymous message board is "mean" enough to make an atheist "not good". If the atheist is not embezzling millions from their religious organization, molesting little children, or participating in the systemic degradation of women as religious tradition, or... etc. etc., then your whining about atheists being mean is just so..... lame.
It's so telling that you start your post with, I don't want to talk about the hypocrisy of religious people, only atheists - cuz you SO know that is a fight that religious people cannot win.
This is like one spouse forgetting to flush the toilet and the other cheating spouse complaining about lack of consideration. "Yeah but look at the mean thing YOU did".
I'll take my rep as a "mean" atheist for pointing out the evils of religion any day. You keep on tolerating hate, bigotry, backwards superstition and systemic corruption in your faith. See you on DCUM!
Anonymous
03/16/2014 09:19
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
If I understand OP, the claim is that anytime an atheist does not engage in discussion in the manner that OP considers polite and appropriate, the atheist is not acting in a moral way, and is therefore a hypocrite because the atheist has said that religion is not necessary for morality.
To me that's a little bizarre.
To me that's a little bizarre.
Anonymous
03/16/2014 09:06
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
I don't think you know what the word "hypocrisy" means.
I'm not debating the claims you make about atheists, but they aren't examples of hypocrisy.
And honestly, when you make posts that aren't coherent and display a lack of understanding basic vocabulary, you only open yourself up to attack from atheists (and others) about being brainless.
Let's be clear, there are a lot of people who aren't consistently good, with or without god. I don't think there's overwhelming evidence that one group or the other is better in that regard. So I'm not sure where you are going with that argument.
I'm not debating the claims you make about atheists, but they aren't examples of hypocrisy.
And honestly, when you make posts that aren't coherent and display a lack of understanding basic vocabulary, you only open yourself up to attack from atheists (and others) about being brainless.
Let's be clear, there are a lot of people who aren't consistently good, with or without god. I don't think there's overwhelming evidence that one group or the other is better in that regard. So I'm not sure where you are going with that argument.
Anonymous
03/16/2014 09:06
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
shouldn't you either be in church or getting your family ready for worship, OP?
While there today, can I recommend that you reflect on 2 Corinthians 12:9?
Maybe also James 4:6?
While there today, can I recommend that you reflect on 2 Corinthians 12:9?
Maybe also James 4:6?
Anonymous
03/16/2014 09:01
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
I think a big problem with conversations about faith between believers and non-believers, is the use of the bible as a source. Believers believe the bible is truth while atheists don't. We cannot have a discussion where one person is using a source that the other thinks is completely in left field. The believer thinks that by completely dismissing the bible, the atheist is being disrespectful. I don't know how to get past this first barrier of contention.
Anonymous
03/16/2014 08:54
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
Anonymous wrote:Your post doesn't make very much sense. You might want to work on critical reasoning skills.
Thank you for this! Let me add underhanded debating tactics to the description of atheist behavior that isn't particularly "good without god":
- ad hominems;
- twisting what other posters wrote; and
- deliberately missing the point in order to answer the question you want to answer instead of the question you were actually asked.
Anonymous
03/16/2014 08:50
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: A handful of DCUM's atheists are thoughtful, introspective, and willing to engage in discussion. But the majority -- not so much..
A handful of DCUM's users are thoughtful, introspective, and willing to engage in discussion. But the majority -- not so much..
There, fixed it for you.
Ha ha, you're right. Thank you.
Anonymous
03/16/2014 08:46
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
Your post doesn't make very much sense. You might want to work on critical reasoning skills.
Anonymous
03/16/2014 08:33
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
Thing is, from my atheist point of view, there's nothing to discuss. Where, exactly, is the hypocrisy of atheists?Hypocrisy means not conforming behavior to standards put forth by belief. I don't believe. End of discussion.
Anonymous
03/16/2014 08:24
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
Anonymous wrote: A handful of DCUM's atheists are thoughtful, introspective, and willing to engage in discussion. But the majority -- not so much..
A handful of DCUM's users are thoughtful, introspective, and willing to engage in discussion. But the majority -- not so much..
There, fixed it for you.
Anonymous
03/16/2014 08:20
Subject: Atheist hypocrisy
note: Yes, of course some believers are hypocrites. But that's not the subject of this thread. If you want to talk about religious hypocrisy, there are a baziliion DCUM threads already dedicated to that subject. So you're welcome to take yourself to one of those threads and bash hypocritical believers there. Let's stick to the header subject on this thread.
This thread is about those atheists who talk about being "good without god" and then slam believers for being brainless. Or those atheists who hijack discussions of faith to talk about sheeple and fairies at the bottom of the garden and that oh-so-worn-out FSM. Or the anti-Catholic bigots (I'm not Catholic).
"Good without god"? It doesn't often seem that way. A handful of DCUM's atheists are thoughtful, introspective, and willing to engage in discussion. But the majority -- not so much.
Discuss.
This thread is about those atheists who talk about being "good without god" and then slam believers for being brainless. Or those atheists who hijack discussions of faith to talk about sheeple and fairies at the bottom of the garden and that oh-so-worn-out FSM. Or the anti-Catholic bigots (I'm not Catholic).
"Good without god"? It doesn't often seem that way. A handful of DCUM's atheists are thoughtful, introspective, and willing to engage in discussion. But the majority -- not so much.
Discuss.