Anonymous
12/26/2013 19:55
Subject: Compacted 4/ math criteria
Newbie on this forum.
I remember that MCPS AEI was in charge of the selection process. Why do you say "some schools just were much stricter in the assessments"? Do you hint that local schools have the ultimate authority in determining the enrollment?
I remember that MCPS AEI was in charge of the selection process. Why do you say "some schools just were much stricter in the assessments"? Do you hint that local schools have the ultimate authority in determining the enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Last year, there were 48 possible points. I believe that it was 10 problems and some were worth 4 and some were 2 parters 8 points. Part of the 4 points was the verbal explaination of how the problem was solved. The cut off score was 33. This sounds low out of 48 but you have to remember that they could get the answer correct but still only get 1/4 on the problem if they did not show their work AND explain it verbally. It turned out to be a very subjective test. the other problem is that even though there are 12% kids county-wide, it is VERY uneven between different schools that seems unexplanable when you compare historical MSA scores. It is obvious some schools just were much stricter in the assessments. It seems that school either have 2-3% or they havde 18%, very few between 9-13% which is the county average.
Anonymous
12/22/2013 17:44
Subject: Compacted 4/ math criteria
Anonymous wrote:Last year, there were 48 possible points. I believe that it was 10 problems and some were worth 4 and some were 2 parters 8 points. Part of the 4 points was the verbal explaination of how the problem was solved. The cut off score was 33. This sounds low out of 48 but you have to remember that they could get the answer correct but still only get 1/4 on the problem if they did not show their work AND explain it verbally. It turned out to be a very subjective test. the other problem is that even though there are 12% kids county-wide, it is VERY uneven between different schools that seems unexplanable when you compare historical MSA scores. It is obvious some schools just were much stricter in the assessments. It seems that school either have 2-3% or they havde 18%, very few between 9-13% which is the county average.
At my child's HGC almost every child is in compacted math. They were placed based on the assessment from their home school and came from 10 different home schools.
Anonymous
12/20/2013 10:29
Subject: Re:Compacted 4/ math criteria
Anonymous wrote:I was told that for the pre-assessment (which may not have been conducted at every school), the total points were 11 and the criteria was: score on Inview quant, whether student is following UCARE in solving problems, whether student is already being given enrichment, grades, and score on a problem provided by the teacher. I was not provided with any examples of what UCARE meant nor a copy of the problem the teacher gave the students.
http://mason.gmu.edu/~jsuh4/teaching/ucareRubric.pdf
Understanding
• Understands problems or task;
• Make connections to similar problems;
• Uses models and multiple representations.
Computing
• Accurate computation;
• Proper use of algorithm
Applying
• Formulates and carries out a plan;
• Can create similar problems;
• Can solve using appropriate strategies.
Reasoning
• Justifies responses logically;
• Reflects on and explains procedures;
• Explains concepts clearly.
Engaging
• Tackles difficult tasks;
• Persevere;
• Shows confidence in own ability;
• Collaborates/Shares ideas.
Anonymous
12/20/2013 09:59
Subject: Re:Compacted 4/ math criteria
I was told that for the pre-assessment (which may not have been conducted at every school), the total points were 11 and the criteria was: score on Inview quant, whether student is following UCARE in solving problems, whether student is already being given enrichment, grades, and score on a problem provided by the teacher. I was not provided with any examples of what UCARE meant nor a copy of the problem the teacher gave the students.
Anonymous
12/19/2013 15:57
Subject: Compacted 4/ math criteria
Last year, there were 48 possible points. I believe that it was 10 problems and some were worth 4 and some were 2 parters 8 points. Part of the 4 points was the verbal explaination of how the problem was solved. The cut off score was 33. This sounds low out of 48 but you have to remember that they could get the answer correct but still only get 1/4 on the problem if they did not show their work AND explain it verbally. It turned out to be a very subjective test. the other problem is that even though there are 12% kids county-wide, it is VERY uneven between different schools that seems unexplanable when you compare historical MSA scores. It is obvious some schools just were much stricter in the assessments. It seems that school either have 2-3% or they havde 18%, very few between 9-13% which is the county average.
Anonymous
12/19/2013 00:56
Subject: Compacted 4/ math criteria
possible, I supposed but last year the test was right after holiday break which wasn't idea either.
Anyone have any idea on the original question? Specifically how many "points" the first set to criteria were (the ones before the assessment) or how the assessments are scored.
Anyone have any idea on the original question? Specifically how many "points" the first set to criteria were (the ones before the assessment) or how the assessments are scored.
Anonymous
12/18/2013 22:44
Subject: Compacted 4/ math criteria
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP again, part of the assessment included grades from 2nd grade even.
Yes, the quant part of Inview counts. Which is why they want to rush Inview this year, try to keep kids out of compacted.
Why do you say that they are rushing Inview this year, and how do you know that the goal is to keep kids out of compacted math?
Inview was given two months before my older child took it. Performing the assessments earlier and earlier creates a tracking situation, which MCPS supposedly opposes. I think MCPS has been clear to communicate that it does not feel that compacted math should be made available to any but a small percentage of 4th graders, but they currently have over 10% of 4th graders enrolled.
Anonymous
12/16/2013 20:20
Subject: Compacted 4/ math criteria
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP again, part of the assessment included grades from 2nd grade even.
Yes, the quant part of Inview counts. Which is why they want to rush Inview this year, try to keep kids out of compacted.
Why do you say that they are rushing Inview this year, and how do you know that the goal is to keep kids out of compacted math?
Anonymous
12/16/2013 20:01
Subject: Compacted 4/ math criteria
Anonymous wrote:OP again, part of the assessment included grades from 2nd grade even.
Yes, the quant part of Inview counts. Which is why they want to rush Inview this year, try to keep kids out of compacted.
Anonymous
12/16/2013 14:04
Subject: Compacted 4/ math criteria
PPs. If you want to know what's going on, write a letter to the principal and ask for information. Make a FERPA request to see the testing or screening instrument. You have a right to see this documentation even if it is considered a "secure" test by MCPS. If your child's name is on it or your child has a score associated with it, it is an educational record within the meaning of FERPA, and you have a right to see it.
MCPS should not be screening kids for access to higher level math without full transparency -- disclosure of the process, disclosure of the skills tested/needed, and disclosure of the demographics and numbers of kids invited or not invited to higher level math.
It is very disturbing that this is happening in such a secretive fashion.
MCPS should not be screening kids for access to higher level math without full transparency -- disclosure of the process, disclosure of the skills tested/needed, and disclosure of the demographics and numbers of kids invited or not invited to higher level math.
It is very disturbing that this is happening in such a secretive fashion.
Anonymous
12/16/2013 10:36
Subject: Compacted 4/ math criteria
OP again, part of the assessment included grades from 2nd grade even.
Anonymous
12/16/2013 10:35
Subject: Compacted 4/ math criteria
Yes, third now. They started the assessments much earlier this year. I thought it was uniform. Strange.
Anonymous
12/15/2013 23:13
Subject: Re:Compacted 4/ math criteria
So your child is in 3rd now and is being assessed? They start these assessments awfully early now. So how they perform in 3rd grade math is irrelevant apparently. With regard to your questions, it seems that this assessment process is not uniform. My child's test had a total of 16 possible points last year.
Anonymous
12/15/2013 00:28
Subject: Compacted 4/ math criteria
Anyone know how the tests for compacted math are scored?
I know there was some initial assessment that you had to get 10 points on. 10 out of how many?
And then there are a series of 5 tasks which have already started. Sounds like those are sort of like logic puzzled from what my kid says.
Also sounds like you have to end up with a score of 33 or 48. Is that right?
Nothing useful on mcps website.
I know there was some initial assessment that you had to get 10 points on. 10 out of how many?
And then there are a series of 5 tasks which have already started. Sounds like those are sort of like logic puzzled from what my kid says.
Also sounds like you have to end up with a score of 33 or 48. Is that right?
Nothing useful on mcps website.